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mmm, Rob, we are discussing Loyalty Day.....
They probably moved it so it wasn't so close to Memorial Day....
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You know, I may need to change the way I read and post, something seems a bit backwards here. Maybe open and read one thread at a time might help....
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Labor Day was moved because the most states were celebrating it in September.
However, the Socialists and the Communists kept on celebrating on May 1. Because of the strike.
Therefore, "Loyalty Day" was created, at least in part, in order to usurp their holiday, in much the same fashion that Christianity usurped certain pagan holidays by 'fudging' their dates. (Easter, Christmas, Halloween) by people who believed that, since Communism advocates the overthrow of all governmental systems, Communism and loyalty to country were mutually exclusive terms.
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quote: Communism advocates the overthrow of all governmental systems
No it doesn't. According to Marxist theory, a communist state will evolve from a socialist one as the state itself withers away (NOT overthrown). The revolutionary aspect of Marxism was in the overthrow of feudal power structures to form a bourgouis capitalist state and then the overthrow of that by a socialist revolution.
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More accurately, Lenin added the whole professionalized revolution thing to Marx's original idea about an inevitable (and unlikely to be particularly rapid) swing from capitalism to socialism just as feudal mercantilism had given way over a 200-year period or so to capitalism.
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Yeah, I was was gonna add about Lenin but couldn't be arsed . Basically he was the only Marxist leader who believed a socialist revolution could occur from top down, instituted by professional revolutionaries and also that it could occur without the period of capitalist development Marx specified. The Provisional Government's failure to deal with the land and war questions didn't help matters for the democracy movement...
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Not to rub your nose in an inaccurate statement, but...
quote:The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a communist revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.
(emphasis mine)
Quote lifted DIRECTLY from the text of Marx's "Communist Manifesto," Chapter Four
You are therefore wrong.
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You, my friend, are the victim of insufficient research. Engels dropped in some of the more "proactive" components to the Manifesto all right, but as I'm sure you know, oh all-knowing one, the Manifesto was released in a rather interesting year, and much of its content, including the latter chapters, were tacked on on the fly. Marx and Engels didn't want to miss out on the Year of Revolutions party, after all. You also inevitably knew that, because, after all, you're typically right.
Years later, when Marx went and definitively nailed down his "ism" in Capital, the whole forcible revolution element was clarified so that we have the oft-echoed Marxist (and Marxian, incidentally, but that's a distinction only Social Scientists need worry about) theory of defining history in terms of the predominant means of production and, most importantly, its wholly automated march from one phase to another.
You appear to be unwittingly emulating Lenin in your rather selective reading of Marx. And you'd never want to emulate him, would you?
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That's probably the most erudite version of "spin" I've ever read. Kudos.
He still said what he said, and the one actual "Communist" I do know, (a fellow from Brazil who helped get Lula elected) agrees with my interpretation.
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Well, don't mind me, then. I just study the stuff.
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quote: Well, don't mind me, then. I just study the stuff
Likewise... Consiousness vs Spontenaity, anyone?
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My implication was not meant to be along the lines of "I too am reading things published in that famed year of turbulence." but rather "I too am stuck studying 19th century Hegelians."
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. Basically he was the only Marxist leader who believed a socialist revolution could occur from top down, instituted by professional revolutionaries and also that it could occur without the period of capitalist development Marx specified. The Provisional Government's failure to deal with the land and war questions didn't help matters for the democracy movement...
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