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So it's really Paul's problem with gays? Sounds like some apostle has repressed desires....
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I guess the Pope just wants his priests and cardinals to date...
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"And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."
Romans 1:27, is what I believe Tim was refering to.
In less lofty language:
"In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."
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Heck, while I'm at it. (All taken from the King James, because it sounds the neatest.)
Leviticus 18:22
"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
And 20:13
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
Deuteronomy 23:18
"Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God."
Which is rendered, in a more modern translation, thusly: "You must not bring the earnings of a female prostitute or of a male prostitute into the house of the LORD your God to pay any vow, because the LORD your God detests them both."
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
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The "natural use of women" is certainly not what it was back then though either.... The "natural use of women" was as property, baby making animals and chore-slave. If one's not valid, how can the other be?
How can it be "God's Law" when God never mentioned it? How can it be against God if He made them that way? More to the point, why is line between church and state quickly fading away?
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But the bible is so contradictory from book to book, if we're willing to let someone's interpertation of a verse be the basis for binding legislation then we're on the slippery moral slope indeed.
What about Crab? Pork? will those foods become illeagal because of Old Testament bible verses stating they should not be eaten? Of course not: the majority's religous beliefs must not determine the course of law in our country if we're to remain true to the american dream of "Life, Liberty and the prusuit of happiness".
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If the church really puts those old words into practical use, they are violating the real laws and should be prosecuted. There is no such thing as "God's law" for people that have different (or no) religions.
And that get's me to my biggest problem. I have no problems with people believing in all sorts of gods and supernatural stuff. If it makes you feel better, if it gives more depth and meaning to your lives, that's a good thing. And I can see that sharing deep religious beliefs with others is a very strong emotion. But WHY do you always want to impose your ideas upon others? If I don't want to believe in your God, your Bible, your Messiah, your Allah, your Satan, than let me be! And this is exactly why state and church should be completely separate. Let people make their own decisions. If you want to be a devout Catholic, go right ahead. If a gay couple wants to marry, let them.
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I am Satan incarnate. Because the Church says I am.
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quote:Originally posted by Ultra Magnus: My God is a shallow little bitch trying to make the scene.
So it's true that we all create God in our own image?
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