Now, I do not approve of vigilantism one bit, but at least someone is standing up to the hordes of guerillas who are killing innocent civilians. Let's hope others follow suit in a much more lawful way.
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Yeah, but it's really nice to see Iraqi's getting pissed enough to do something about the terrorists making the entire muslim world look bad.
Not that becoming terrorists themselves is a step in the direction toward peace but there is a satisfaction to it all.
If they manage to kill him, I hope the fim it for their website or turn over his body to the authorities for I.D.: unconfirmed reports of his death would not accomplish much.
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Well no.....it begets a complete lack of violence on the victim's part if it's handled right.
It's revenge that begets revenge.
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And if violence invariably begat violence, well, then there wouldn't be much point to telling us that, would there?
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Violence against and in the general vicinity of half-way enlightened people.
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As in, when the twin towers came down, nobody wanted revenge? That's news to me. Although I'm not certain you were referring to Americans.
P.S. I said "inspire," not "act upon". Obviously, not everybody who aspires to vengeance acts upon it, but then vengeance comes in all shapes and sizes. Violence is merely the most obvious.
Which kind of violence does not inspire revenge? Please, I'm curious.
That depends on your definition of "violence" and the opinion of the reasons for ir it: Is it "violence" when police shoot an armed gunamn?
What about a fair trial that leads to execution?
Random, faceless violence is what inspires revenge.
I've always thought that killing has become so inpersonal that real peace is less likely every year: you could be killed by a bomb and who would your family blame if there was no suspect?
They'd find someone to hate (usually an e3ntire group of someones in fact), I'm sure. We need it to ease the loss and give some meaning to a senseless act.
Revenge is faster and less bloody when confined to the one person that has wronged you.
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quote: That depends on your definition of "violence" and the opinion of the reasons for ir it: Is it "violence" when police shoot an armed gunamn?
What about a fair trial that leads to execution?
I would say yes to both instances. The police has to shoot someone to get them to stop hurting other people, but that doesn't mean they're not using violence. Execution is also violence (they're violating someone's life, for crying out loud), while the trial is a form of revenge. Just because our society justifies them doesn't make them peaceful actions. I am not making a judgment about the police or the justice system (tho I do have gripes) here, but simply pointing out that what they do is different in purpose but not different in form to what we normally think of as violence and revenge, and they may incite similar consequences.
It's kind of funny that you have in your sig Newton's law "that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction," because that essentially describes what I believe about violence begetting violence. Whatever you do unto another, they'll want to do unto you.
quote: Random, faceless violence is what inspires revenge.
I think that's what people want to belief when they'd like revenge. Like I said, revenge comes in all shapes and sizes. A girl might deliberately alienate her boyfriend for forgetting her birthday, or looking at another woman, or whatever. That is revenge. An enraged husband kills his wife. That is also revenge. Most of the time it's not random or faceless. However, it is easier to condemn a person or group you think of as an entity rather than a human being(s).
quote:I've always thought that killing has become so inpersonal that real peace is less likely every year: you could be killed by a bomb and who would your family blame if there was no suspect?
Exactly, people don't want to look at themselves.
quote: Revenge is faster and less bloody when confined to the one person that has wronged you.
You mean like in Shakespeare when one person kills one other person and a friend of the dead guy kills his murderer and so on until the entire town is dead by the next day? I think I learned about the futility of revenge from Shakespeare at a young age and was always wondering why people still insist on doing it.
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