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When the Religious Right pisses and moans about how they're all about moral values, let's take a moment and identify the values they're talking about.
I think this says it all:
Hate and intolerance. What a bunch of mother fuckers.
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This is especially shocking considering how mainstream and listened to Fred Phelps is. Like, he's on TBN and all the big Christian TV channels all the time, and the keynote speaker at every major denominational conference.
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As I type I am literally shaking with rage so don't expect me to be nice and accomodating:
I simply cannot think of a decent response to this bull. The anger I felt reading that garbage is something I don't think is safe to share. But I will say this, if I ever, ever, met one of those sons-of-b*tches who wrote that, or read it and took it to heart, I'd cut that black heart out and crush it in my hands before their twisted eyes. This 'pamphlete' makes me sick. What a wonderful start to 2005 for us all eh?
P.S. My apologies to any forum members who may disagree with my admittedly harsh stance towards such 'people' though the term is being used in a very loose defenition.
Edit: for the unenlightened like me - who is Fred Phelps?
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This is (fortunately) one screwball's ideas and NOT represenative of the Religous Right.
If everyone in the Right really was as nuts as this guy, and considering the sway they have in the current administration....I shudder to even consider it, frankly.
Of course, there are some who might agree with this crap, but 99.9% are not crazy fucks like this guy is and would never think the deaths of anyone is call for celebration (not do they believe Sweden is a giant homosexual commune).
Sadly, there's a guy that frequents my work that's *almost as nuts- but he's hailing from the extreme Left. He thinks the Bush administration will be rounding up gays and athiests for concentration camps soon...
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Yes, they are seperate- the "Right" I speak of is more of a fundamentalist organization with political clout, whereas the majority of Christians in america are not... fanatical.
This guy though, is as bad- or worse- than even the most screwball Christian Coallition member.
Think of him as the Christian version of the Islamic nuts celebrating after 9/11.
I dont think anyone here believes this nut represents Christians in America (or indeed anywhere in this dimension for that matter).
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Fred Phelps is the angry Time Cube guy of American Christianity, and frankly I think that wasting the time to be shocked by him is both completely disingenuous (Look how insane this one guy is! I bet he's totally representative!) and damaging to the ideals you're trying to support, since it diverts attention away from things that both really matter and involve more rational individuals who might be swayed by such apparently archaic liberal tactics as reasoned debate.
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"Time Cube"? Wasn't that some cheesy sci-fi movie with Christopher Lambert?
I've never heard of this guy before- is he actually on TV or something?
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What a poor, unrestful man. How unchristian to rationalize away thousands of dead as "they were probably homosexuals most of them".
I read just yesterday of a man who'd lost his wife and two sons, and just lately had found one son under the debris, and asked the swedish embassy for some cooling arrangements because the son's body had become bloated and disfigured.
He wouldn't be too glad to see this. Woe to faggot Sweden indeed.
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"99.9% are not crazy fucks like this guy is..."
Well, OK, The Right, being everything except a homogenous entity, is on the whole as far from "mainstream" as most of the music Simon listens to, but The Religious Right, being split up in only two semi-unified camps (Protestant Christian and Fundamentalist Protestant Christian), is a much less broad label (and, as such, quite a lot safer to stick on people), and I don't think shitheads like Phelps are as unrepresentative of the FPC RR as you suggest.
And, of course, you hardly ever hear anyone from the PC RR publically denounce crap like this either, so...
"Fred Phelps is the angry Time Cube guy of American Christianity..."
I thought that was Pat Robertson. Or Rush Limbaugh. Or Jerry Falwell.
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Well, Rush Limbaugh isn't a religious authority at all, so, you know.
As regards the other two, I'd say they're precisely the opposite, since they represent largish groups of people and what they say carries (some) weight with the non-obviously crazy. They're the ones we should reserve our scorn and disdain for.
As far as the "Religious Right" not denouncing Phelps, well, I do see your point, but to extend our analogy, how often does Science or Nature run "Why the Time Cube is not an accurate model of the world" articles?
And, I mean, how often do those of us who are not Christian really delve into the internal workings of the culture? How many of us are reading publications like First Things, or even something easy like Christianity Today? How are we supposed to know what Christians of any stripe are saying about anything if we don't go to the places they're speaking at?
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IT's scary that "Christians" in general dont vocally denounce the slim minority of crazies that generate this kind of bad press.
Much like with Muslim extremists, the mainstream does not agree with them, but generally does not denounce them either.
You'll never see Falwell or any of the TV preachers denounce this kind of thing- even if they dont agree with it (though falwell probably does).
It gives the religion a bad name in general (less so in countries where the religion in question is the majority).
The strangest thing about this guy's notion is that God would punish the 'Gay Sweden" by causing a earthquake in Indonisia. You'd think the Allmighty would have better aim.
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Well, as Simon pointed out, the normal followers of any given religion shouldn't really be required to spend all their waking hours telling people about how crazy the crazies are. Just like real physicists don't go around talking about Gene Ray. And real biologists don't spend much of their time arguing against creationists. They have better things to do, so they just ignore the wackos and hope everyone else does the same.
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