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Jason Abbadon
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"No" would be my answer.

If there is such evidence, let's see it- if they're US soldiers in the pics someone will ID them in short order.
The Italian government is no fan of the Bush administration, so there's no reason to conceal this "evidence" and there are uncountable people/news organizations that would run with any such story any day of the week- particularly now that Bush's popularity is at an all time low- and it would kill any chance Cheney has at exempting foreign combatants from the Geneva Conventions.

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TSN
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Well, how about the US Army? Are they credible?
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Jason Abbadon
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Pretty damning stuff, but not the widespread WP attacks that have been used in the past -Soviets here- I'm talking about ton bombs with "sprayer" attachments to cover entire acres.
Still, someone made a baaad decision and (with proof of non-combatant deaths) should be prosecuted- or at least exposed by the press.

You know- the supposedly liberal press that only reports the bad stuff.

Of course, that magazine's sourse will need to be verified as well.

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Grokca
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Well, how about the US Army? Are they credible?

Not in my books but I will take their word on this as it is corroborated by the Islam Online website and Italian State TV.

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Zing!
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Jason Abbadon
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So: I was wrong.
The Pentagon has now confirmed use of White Phosphorus "against violent insurgents" in Faluja(sp?). No word on civillian casualties from it...yet.

Fuuuuck.

Every time I say "no way we'd cross that line", I'm proven wrong by the most despicible administration in my lifetime.

This might well be the moment where history says "there was no justification for what they did- they went too far".

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Da_bang80
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White Phosphorous? Never heard of it being used in warfare. What does it do? burn the skin or cause horrible breathing problems? meh. While they're at it they might as well release a huge cloud of mustard gas too.

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Jason Abbadon
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It not only burns- it burns white hot and cant be extinguished.
It burns underwater.

It's fumes permanantly sear the lungs and it's been known to contaminate water supplies.

Baaad shit.

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Basically, it melts people. People who are alive. You know, until they've melted.
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Da_bang80
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Cool! Gotta get me some of that! There's a few people I wouldn't mind turning into puddles of flaming goo.

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Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change.
The courage to change the things I cannot accept.
And the wisdom to hide the bodies of all the people I had to kill today because they pissed me off.

Remember when your parents told you it's dangerous to play in traffic?

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Nim
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I think in the first book by "Andy McNab", in the last firefight before the team gets captured, one of McNab's teammates takes a hit to one of the phosphor grenades in his belt, setting him on fire. Horrible way to go.
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Fabrux
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Anyone have a link to this proclamation by the Pentagon?

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Veers
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4440664.stm

The thing is, the Pentagon said before admitting this that they hadn't even used the white phosphorous on combatants, only for "illumniation." In other words, the Pentagon--gasp!--lied.

Other than brief mentions in newspapers and online, there was nothing on this in the U.S. media. Nothing.

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Cartman
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Every time I say "no way we'd cross that line"...

You're reminded of all the previous times you said that, and wonder why you still keep telling yourself these sick amoral fucks must have some measure of decency left in them?

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Jason Abbadon
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Call it a last gasp of blind patriotism: I really want my fellow americans- and elected officials- to have the common decency I even I possess.

I first joined Anmesty International as part of a petition to the UN to ban White Phosphorus (this was waaaaay back in high school).

Back when I still believed people's will could occasionally be heard via petitions, E-Mails and letters.

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