Saiyanman Benjita
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quote:President Bush believes if Al Qaeda is calling somebody in America, it is in our national security interest to know who they're calling and why
Wait, so all they need to do is start cold-calling people in America to start a Witch Hunt? And if they do, does the person called get put on the no-fly list? I mean, does the CIA have Caller ID on every line coming out of Iraq or Afghanastan?
Man, I read the first few pages of the PATRIOT Act, it looks like a corrected assignment without the assignment "Strike", "Add 'OR'", etc.
Wait, I just read that... They can trace my ISP, and put me on their lists.
All that aside, I'm still confused.... Are we still at War???? I suppose that's a question for another Topic.
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We've never been at "war" since Mr. Bush never sought and Congress never passed, a resolution of war.
We have not declared war on anyone...just an idea.
We're certainly in a shooting conflict with people or our choosing, but I grow tired of the rhetoric of the media...'we're at war, we're at war!'
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Saiyanman Benjita
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I'd have to agree with that assessment. Also looking back on this twenty years from now, the students will not look on it as a "War", but as a "Conflict" or more appropriately a "Mistake" (Like Vietnam. Sticking our noses in where we don't belong - coincidence? I think not.)
But yeah, News channels won't settle for "Conflict" or "Rebellion", it HAS to be "And now for the War in Iraq" (Subnote - which we started with no apparent reason, and we keep calling it that, even though we're the ones trying to change an entire culture, and if we'd only take a page from Star Trek's General Order One, we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.)
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Da_bang80
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It's still "war" even if it hasn't been formally declared...
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Once again the Bush Administration is worse than I had imagined, even though I thought I had already taken account of the fact that the Bush administration is invariably worse than I can imagine. ~Brad DeLong
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Well, Muslim radical religous nutcases anyway- the others are running the circus once called the Republican Party.
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Well, originally, we were having a war with the emotion of fear. But then they changed the name, so we're simply having trouble with maxima and minima. But, actually, I think they went back to the original again.
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Still, it's something of an important distinction. Mr. Bush is claiming the constitutional cover for what he's doing is the president's "war powers"...he is afterall a "war president."
So, if we're not in a declared war does the president get all his "war powers?"
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Once again the Bush Administration is worse than I had imagined, even though I thought I had already taken account of the fact that the Bush administration is invariably worse than I can imagine. ~Brad DeLong
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The same circular logic that alows Gonzalez to say that some information (leaked by the White House) was "declassified", but that the wiretap leak was treason. They make the rules, so anyone not working for them is breaking whatever rules they decide to make up.
Bush says we're at WAR, so assumes more war powers than any president since FDR.
Somehow, I think if a democrat is elected President, the republicans will be calling for a limit on presidential powers...
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Now, to be fair, Congress did give Bush war powers. The Authorization for Use of Military Force that they issued in 2001 specifically invoked the War Powers Resolution. So, the question isn't whether he has powers. It's which powers he has and where he can use them.
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Something so open-ended that even his republican pals are concerned... After all, they need to get re-elected.
As to the powers themselves, do they last indefinitely, or just untill the president declares "Mission Accomplished"?
oh wait...he already declared that. 1800 dead servicemen ago.
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Da_bang80
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Who knows? Bush might pull a Palpatine and elect himself president for life of the Neo-American Empire or something to that effect.
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Darth CHeney? Her's already got the raspy breathing problem down..
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