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The_Tom
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I think you just about-almost-but-not-quite hit my point on the head their, Omega.

After the flood, the only genes for skin color would be those of the eight(?) surviving people, of which five (Noah's direct family) are very closely related.

Today, we have several different skin colors controlled by different genes.

If the population was restarted from Noah's family, explain how the few genes for skin color found in Noah's family's chromosomes became the many we have today, other than mutation followed by natural selection, or, *ahem* evolution?

Of course, the same holds true for Adam and Eve.

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Sol System
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As I mention in another thread, evolution as defined by science is a demonstrated fact. (The change in genes between one generation and the next.)

Given the above information, the gene pool would be incapble of expanding without the ability to select certain mutated genes. The problem is, there is no physical law that prevents this process from continuing to the point where individuals can no longer interbreed, at which point, by definition, two seperate species have been created.

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That'd be a shame.

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Sol System
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What I mean is, there isn't any physical difference between so-called macro and microevolution.

At any rate, barring future catastrophe, human evolution, so far as speciation is concerned, has probably stopped. There will never again be a time when human populations are isolated. (Again, barring catastrophe.) We are now capable of choosing our own future, for good or for ill.

P.S. If I sound a bit odd, I just took some nice cold pills.

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bryce
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*shakes head* Doesn't really matter!

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Diane
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What doesn't?

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Cargile
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Nanoassembling a man out of "mud" is rather easy, given you have the nanoassemblers and the "mud" that has all the ingredients. But cloning a fermale version of that man was easier. Of course we didn't really use the whole rib, just a blood sample.

Also we called the orginal pair Jack and Diane. We don't know where you came up with Adam and Eve.

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Great Babylon was naked, ah she stood there trembling for me.
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And when we fell together, all our flesh was like a veil.
But I had to draw aside to see the serpent eat its tail.
Some women wait for Jesus, and some women wait for Cain.
So I hang upon my alter, and I hoist my axe again.
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And we read from pleasant Bibles, that are bound in blood and skin,
But the wilderness is gathering all its children back again."

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PsyLiam
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Did ya just take the pills because you were hungry Sol? Or was it your time of the month?

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Sol System
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Ooh, that Liam, he's always been the cheeky one.

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PsyLiam
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Well, cheeky is as cheeky doesn.

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bryce
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We actually covered this in class today. My statement on this will shock everyone. I should start by saying that today scholars rely heavily on archeology for their research.

According to even the most level headed, conservative scholars today, Genesis 1-11 (!) is most likely a story used to tell the Hebrew people how life came to be. I'll give a few class notes and then shut up.

Clues to why we think this:

1. The word Adam comes from a Hebrew word meaning 'from the ground'. Eve means 'life-giver' in Hebrew. It can be said that possibly these two Biblical characters did not actually exist.

2. When Adam's sons reach maturity we have a populous Earth that has descriptions that match the New Stone Age and the Bronze Age. Even though they lived a long time back then we did not advance this quickly. This is all there in Chapter 4. The phrase my prof used was "history is telescoped"

All this suggests a "representational/thematic" presentation rather than HISTORY or SCIENCE in our modern, western sense.

The Hebrew people had to be told things in ways they could understand. Genesis was written for them! We are trying to translate a work from an ancient language and culture totally different than our own. Words like (and this shocked me a lot) heavens, fermanent, kind, and day had different meanings back then. If the original writer was here now he/she would have no clue as to our definitions of these worlds and our concept of them. Genesis 1-11 could have been told this way because that would have been the only way the Hebrews could understand creation.

Two thing I want to say though is that the Old testament does not in any way conflict with anything in the New Testament. To use an old Christian phrase, it can be said "God met them where they were at".

Oh... I need to also say Genesis does not fit any desciptions of a near eastern creation "Myth". It is an "Anti-Myth". All magic, cyclinical notions, and consorts of God (and other things) are not present. Genesis (at the very least) told the Hebrews that the creation stories of their neighbors were wrong.

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Sol System
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I'd be careful. In the eyes of many, you're starting to blaspheme.

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First of Two
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Rah, rah, blasphemy!

Actually, there exist Jewish mystic texts (The Quabbala, Kaballa,or however you pronounce it.) Many of the ancient Jews clearly believed in macic and spiritualism. Perhaps Genesis was merely "sanitized for your protection."

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bryce
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No, First!

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First of Two
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No, what?

No, "Rah, rah, blasphemy?" Okay, perhaps not, but I recall a quote by a famous someone who said that "the Gods admire man for his blasphemies."

or did you mean
No, "sanitized for your protection?" If so, how do you know? Were you around when the thing was put together, then?
(For a good time, ask your profs about the "P" and "Q" documents. That's from a scholarly theory that asserts that what is now known as "Genesis" was actually a number of differing stories somewhat haphazardly stitched together to form the narrative.)

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