And yet, Daryus brings up a valid point. Despite years under these emergency powers or as the eminent Dr. Schroder (Colorado farmer, veterinarian, political philosopher) calls it "unconstitutional dictatorship" from Roosevelt to Truman to Nixon, suddenly Omega thinks the United States is going to be taken over by Bill Clinton. Through the use of martial law no less.

Why? For what reason? Do we just hate Bill Clinton that much? Really, what proof does offer Omega, hard proof and not right-wing speculation, that the singular presidnecy of Bill Clinton has eroded our rights to this great of an extent. Why exactly is it that I can expect Clinton all by his liberal self to roll tanks down my street next week when even Nixon in the midst of social and political strife failed to do so?

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Oh, goody, the Sea Monkeys I ordered have arrived. Heh heh heh, look at them cavort and caper.
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"Oh, it's an anti-anti-WTO song. It's essentially a pro-Starbucks song. I saw this picture of a guy sticking his foot through a plate-glass window in a Starbucks in Seattle, and he was wearing a Nike. Man, couldn't you just change your shoes?"
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M. Doughty

And exactly why do you think Nixon was so bad? Nixon at least had some respect for his office and for the people of this country. He had the decency to resign. Clinton has neither. There's no comparison.

The reason I'm worried about Clinton taking over is that he's shown time and time again that he couldn't care less about the constitution that he swore to uphold. All of the presidents COULD. Bill Clinton WOULD, if it suited his purpose. But again, there are still enough people in this country that care about their freedom that SOMEONE'd shoot him, so I don't actually expect him to. The point is that he could, and no one should have that power.

However, if you consider what's been going on as a battle of attrition over the past 30-50 years or so, done by small increments, then a pattern begins to emerge. Do you think it would have been so easy to stomach Clinton, had not others paved the way for him?

Then the question might be asked, who is Clinton paving the way for?

Billy knows his job, and he does it very well. I'll leave it up to you to figure out just what that job really is. Nixon and Clinton are just two sides of the same coin, and the only thing worth noting in the next election is which side the coin flips on to this time.

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"Nobody knows this, but I'm scared all the time... of what I might do, if I ever let go." -- Michael Garibaldi

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...is that he's shown time and time again that he couldn't care less about the constitution that he swore to uphold. All of the presidents COULD. Bill Clinton WOULD, if it suited his purpose.

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To quote the man who brings me more good music recomendations than Daryus has personalities in his head:

"Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

*deep breath*

Ha ha ha ha ha ha!"

I ask for specific examples and I get "time and time again" and 'he would if he could if only the time suited his evil plan'.

So, let's list in order his nefarious purposes of his evil plan.

1) ?
2) ??
3) ???

Again, something is either missing in the right-wing agenda or Rush didn't give out his list for ditto heads to read this week.

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Oh, goody, the Sea Monkeys I ordered have arrived. Heh heh heh, look at them cavort and caper.
~C. Montgomery Burns

An interesting combination of strawman and ad hominem, IINM. AFAIK, Rush doesn't even know about this. 'Course, I haven't been listening lately, so...

Anyway, you want a list of the things he's done to circmvent the constitution, and other wise just not do his job, well...

Nuclear Test Ban treaty. He claimed that we'd still follow it, even though it hadn't been ratified.

Letting Janet Reno keep her job after Waco, and ESPECIALLY after the illegal raid on the Gonzales'.

Claiming the non-existant "executive privelage".

Commission of perjury, obstruction of justice, and contempt of court.

He once stated that "It's not [the people's] money" and "We don't think they'll spend it the right way". Can you say "communist"?

All of the above show that he couldn't care less about the constitution and country he swore to defend.

As for his purposes, he wants power. Plain and simple.

Nope. Just two roads to the same destination. Haven't you ever noticed how many top people from BOTH parties belong to the same organizations? (And no, I'm not talking about the Freemasons.)

Nixon got us to fear the government. Prepared us for abuses of power by doing it first, and suffering illusory consequences.
Ford was a fallback position. Breathing room.
Carter was a largely inneffectual, but still feel-good respite a 'lull' as it were.
Reagan got us to contradict ourselves by LIKING the same government we mistrusted, cause he was 'such a likable fellow' despite things like Iran-Contra.
Bush got us prepared for the "New World Order" (his words first).
Clinton has accustomed us to further governmental abuse of power.

Next...

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"Nobody knows this, but I'm scared all the time... of what I might do, if I ever let go." -- Michael Garibaldi

As for the protection of peoples rights, I don't know that those evil liberals are out to throw you into a gulag matey Please list, in this thread the particular rights the left (so called, the democrats are nowhere near true left, just a little further left that the repubs, which is not even at center, if you get my drift) has removed omega. I'd be interested to know exactly how they have stepped towards a Chinese like state.
-If any of the above is jumbled, note that this is being written @ 3am after I have returned from the necessary public fraternisation-.

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Wise, wise words.

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Check out some of the occupations of the Congressmen of the early US, and compare that to the overwhelming lawyer-ism and career-policianism of today's Congress.

No, if we're going to create an Oligarchy, it shouldn't be made up of the people who are the best at manipulating the system for their own purposes. (But of course, THOSE are the people with the most at stake to build an oligarchy in the first place.)

Meritocracy is ideal, but how do we judge?

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Fool of a Took, throw yourself in next time!!
Gandalf

>"Don got a notice in the mail from his bank that his account had been attached by the IRS. No notice, no warning, no reason, no appeal. Bob owned a piece of land some distance from his home. When he visited it, he found that it had been confiscated by the government because they had found illegal drug activity on it. He had to prove he was not involved and had no knowledge of it before he could have his land back."

I'd call that unreasonable search and seizure.

>"If you are found with more than $10,000 cash on your person, it can be confiscated. You must prove how you earned it and that it is legally yours."

That, too.

>"A crippled old black man was in bed asleep one night when a drug squad burst in and sprayed him with bullets. They claimed he was resisting arrest. The squad had a tip that a young man who sometimes visited the elderly gentleman was into drugs, but the young man didn't live there and in fact, wasn't there that night. The slain man's son, a well-known sports figure, demonstrated on TV how crippled his father was and how he would have had to go through a series of slow and painful maneuvers to even sit up on the side of the bed."

If that's not a violation of the right to exist, what is?

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"Nobody knows this, but I'm scared all the time... of what I might do, if I ever let go." -- Michael Garibaldi

I try to raise the level of conversation in here. It's not easy. It appears to be bolted to the floor.
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I think 1^st of 2 is doing an excellent job of explaining the situation.

Daryus: It's not that anyone's afraid the neogestapo is going to start breaking down doors any minute. Rather it's the possibility that since things are "only a little broken" nothing will be done to restore the status to its proper quo.

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The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

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In other words, if you don't clean house regularly (in the benign sense, folks. Since when have I ever recommended violence as a first resort?) sooner or later you're either gonna have a big mess to clean up or you're gonna have to move (if that 12-foot-high stack of old newspapers doesn't fall on you first).

--Baloo

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28th Amendment
The president of the United States shall respond to my unbending will only.

29th Amendment
Section 1: Article II Section 2 of this Constitution reading "The president shall be commander in chief of the army and navy of the United States" is hereby repealed.

Section 2: The president of the United State, in conforming to Amemdment 28 shall no longer have the right to order the Armed Forces of the United States to do anything.

Section 3: Specifically enumerated prohibitions include ordering the Armed Forces of the United States to cease testing nuclear weapons.

30th Amendment
Conforming to Amemdment 28, the president of the United States must fire people in his cabinet when I say so.

31st Amendment
Section 1: The judicial and governmental concept of checks and balances is hereby repealed.

Section 2: Executive privelage means what I say it means and the President of the United States is hereby prohibited from claiming such.

Section 3: The Federal Courts of the United States, conforming to Section 1 of this Amendment, are hereby excluded from rendering decisions on the legality of presidential assertions of executive privdelage.

Section 4: Conforming to Section 1 of this Amendment, as a citizen of the United States, I reserve the right to go thought the underwear drawer of the President of the United States at any time I choose.

32nd Amendment
Section 1: The section of the 5th Amendment reading "due process of law" is hereby repealed. Furthermore, it means what I say it means as that I am the one true law in the country.

Section 2: Lawyerly obfuscation to poorly framed and poorly worded questions asked during political witch hunts, a right granted to the population at large, is hereby prohibited to the president and is punishable by death.

Section 3: The president shall never have sex.

Section 4: If the president has sex, he shall be required to fill out a full public disclosure document.

33rd Amendment
Section 1: Diversity is hereby repudiated in the United States.

Section 2: Having found that a plurality of ideas to be a bad thing, McCarthyism is hereby reinstated.

34th Amendment
Section 1: This Amendment is intended as a clarification of Article II Section 2 of the Constitution of the United States regarding presidential duties.

Section 2: When the Republican party or other member of the right-wing establishment is not in control of the office of President of the United State through duly constituted public elections, conforming to the auspices layed out in the Constitution of the United States, the Democrat elected to the office of President through free and peaceful elections is only there for his own personal power grab.

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Oh, goody, the Sea Monkeys I ordered have arrived. Heh heh heh, look at them cavort and caper.
~C. Montgomery Burns

And be sure to visit The Field Marshal project http://fieldmarshal.virtualave.net/