Topic: do you think that the Cuban embargo should be repealed?
D. Lerious
Ex-Member
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I feel that it should be repealed for the following reasons: 1. Castro is actually benifitting from it because he blames the situation on the embargo and uses it as an example of "Yankee agression"
2. If we can have trade with China, who also is communist, and more of a threat to us, then why not Cuba?.
3. Cuba, with its resources, could be a great market, which America is missing out on.
4. The embargo hasn't changed anything, nor will it ever. So what's the point of having it?
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Both Cuba and China have violated human rights numerous times. I think that we shouldn't trade with either of them. I don't care if others will profit from it.
Also, if Castro wants to start trading again, he should be begging, not whining about 'yankee aggression.'
PUH-leeeeeez!
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Oh brother. "Human rights." The very term is subjective and I hardly think the Western world is in much of a position to lecture others about human rights. History is definitely not our ally.
On the bright side, I can neatly side-step this question because Canada has no trade embargo with Cuba :P
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I have no problem trading with socialist countries, but ones who have commited attrocities like Cuba's and China's should be cut off from the rest of the world until they decide to join civilization.
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Shik
Starship database: completed; History of Starfleet: done; website: probably never
Member # 343
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What "atrocities" can the Cubans do? Oh, SURE, they had that whole Angola thing back in the 70s, but Fidel's mellowed out in his old age. Go back & read the Playboy interview with him from August 1985--way cool. My kinda cat.
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"...join civilization"? Funny, thats what China thought of Africa and the rest of the world back in "the day". After visiting Africa, Australia, and N. America they concluded that the rest of the world was barbarous, greedy, and predatory, preferring to stay home in "civilization" and wait for the rest of the world to catch up.
Its a ironic pity that they were right and that they ultimately fell to greedy venture capitalists. Furthermore, its ironic that many in the United States would prefer isolationism, just what China preferred.
Maybe history does repeat itself afterall.
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Saltah'na
Chinese Canadian, or 75% Commie Bastard.
Member # 33
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Shik: When Cuban MiG's shoot civilian planes out of the sky because they were distributing leaflets talking about democracy. That's why. There are possibly many more reasons other than this, but that's the only thing I know about at this moment.
Now, for your comments, Dee.
1) Well, Castro has successfully brainwashed the Cubans into believing that America is at fault for their society's problems. Same way in which Iraq and Libya have convinced their people that America is the "Great Satan" and should be nuked off the face of the planet.
2) Two Words: We shouldn't. Okay, another few words. An editorial cartoon a few years back had Canada's Mascot (the Beaver) holding up signs about Democracy in Haiti. The Caption said "Standing Up for Human Rights". The next panel had the same beaver sitting down with a newspaper bearing the headlines "Canada sells Nuclear Reactors to China". The Caption said "Sitting Down for Human Rights".
3) What resources?
4) Of course. Cuba would always remain a third world country, would it?
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I can think of no better way to open a society than to encourage the development of economic ties with them. Conversely, I can think of no better way to create a dangerously violent enemy than to ignore and isolate them.
Tyrants want their people to be cut off from the outside world, from dangerous notions of freedom and the free exchange of ideas. It hardly seems like a wise policy to help such leaders achieve this goal.
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"I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
Didn't the Brits "open" China by going in and taking over places like Hong Kong and Shanghai? Didn't the Americans "open" Japan by sending Perry's fleet to whoop some butt?
When can we open Havana?
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Hmmmm, on the other hand. Japan reacted to its "opening" by attempting to emulate Western culture. However, intense racism against them essentially meant that they decided to strike out on their own, taking on the Russians in Manchuria, the Chinese, and eventually World War 2 in the Pacific.
The "opening" of China weakened the contemporary monarchy, eventually throwing the nation into chaos, and further meddling by other powers lead to the eventual import and success of communism.
side-fact: Interesting etymology of Hong Kong, essentially meaning "fragrant harbour" due to the import of British drugs relating to the Opium war.
Good job world. This isn't as straightforward as we'd like it.
.....course the Bay of Pigs could be considered a failed "opening".
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Hahahah. If racism against Japan lead to WWII, then slavery started the American Civil War.
It was Japan's intense racism for everyone else that lead to war.
After Japan's 'opening,' many of their thinkers went to work on how to deal with the western world. They knew about China, which lead to their isolationism. When they were forced to interact with the Western world, they decided that the West was a bunch of barbarians who happened to have better weapons. To avoid being conquered, they sent out many of their people to learn western ways and ideas, and to bring back that knowledge. Then, the Japanese would use the technology to turn around and defeat the Western barbarians.
This theme is present in many of their pre-war works, as well as during the Meiji Restoration. I can get specific quotes if you like, but it'll take a bit of digging through my college stuff.
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