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Aethelwer
Frank G
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"I don't want to be the leader!"
"Tough, we're making you do it."
"What do I do now?"
"You're the leader! Lead!"
"But I don't want to!"

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Mucus
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Sounds familiar...
Oh yeah...thats all high school group projects in a nutshell

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Diane
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That kind of leader wouldn't NOT know what to do. The person would have leadership skills but doesn't want the responsbility of running a country.

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First of Two
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My father is the type who jpins a lot of organizations (especially now that he's retired) and usually ends up running many of them within a short period of time. He doesn't particularly desire leadership, but ends up having it handed to him by virtue of his natural leadership abilities (perserverance, logical thinking, determination, and a willingness to work) and intelligence.

I'd like to think I inherited some of that.

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Nim
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Yes, otherwise you'd be second of two.
Two leads to three, three leads to four, FOUR leads to suffering...

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Constellation of One
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Well, seeing as how this morning's network news had a story about how the German government was seriously considering outlawing certain right wing political parties, I'd say the term "all-controlling" fits the bill pretty darned well.

Now, I'm not trying to defend neo-nazi political parties, but let's face it, censorship is something that governments to the left of the political spectrum often engage in, despite their egalitarian protestations to the contrary. If that wonderful, reasonable, socialist government in Germany (I'm being sarcastic here, folks) bans political parties, then it is as bad as the government that Germany had about, oh, half a century ago that did the exact same thing. Let's see, it was led by someone named .... Hitler?

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Omega
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If you think that's bad, the French government has outlawed evangelism by some wacko religeons, like the Jehovah's Witness, and the Southern Baptists. Something about mental manipulation of the populace.

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Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs
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I'm moving to France. Religion in general is Mental Manipulation of the populace.

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Fabrux
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Evangelism is just plain stupid.

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Shik
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But Evangelion is perfection.

"Communism does not exist. It has never existed. It will never exist. It requires that there be no government whatsoever, and such a situation would deteriorate into anarchy almost immediately."

No, lack of any government at all is simply anarchy. Communism relies on self-government; that is, the people govern themselves individually, thus creating the flawless communist state. The problem is that 99.99999982% of all humans are incapable of self-government. I know I sure as hell am.

In the end, I prefer Andre Malraux's contention that communism is not so much a doctrine as much as it is a will, a will to feel proletariat by the masses.

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USS Vanguard
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If I'm not mistaken, isn't Sweden a socialist nation? Its obviously not communist, and though I'm no expert, isn't it doing pretty well? (Saabs are nice cars too)

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True, but have you seen their tax rates? There's a reason so many Scandinavian sports stars (active and retired) live offshore, and it isn't just the weather. The numbers escape me right now (tooo mch coffeee.braiin cant funktion) but I remember reading somewhere how much Bjorn Borg actually kept of his tennis winnings, and it wasn't much after the Swedish treasury finished with him. Yes, they get big time medical benefits, etc., but geez, after paying that much in taxes where is the incentive to work extra? Why bother being an entreprenuer?

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Because I am an insufferable geek when it comes to this sort of thing, I'm going to go back to Ziyal's question of what kind of monarch wouldn't turn to tyranny, as per Plato: A properly educated one. (Hence the term philosopher-king.)

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Mucus
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...or you could give leadership to a potato decorated with a nice layer of seasoning salt and sparkles.
Wouldn't get much done, but it sure wouldn't be tyrannical, and it would sure look nice.
Better than most monarchs

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I'd worship that Potato.
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