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"And you're certainly not going to argue that the best circumstances are those under which ONLY the criminals have guns. We've seen what that does in Brittain."
Er, we have?
"Do you really want only people who have no respect for the law to be the only ones with guns? You know, like in England?"
It's true. Gangs are rampant. My parents have been shot muiltiple times this week alone. Damn it.
Now, people didn't kick up much of a fuss when guns were (essentially) banned over here. They thought it was a Good Thing. Now, either everyone in Britain is a moron, or the government is obviously controlling us with the floride in the drinking water, so that when they announce that Tony Blair is really Hitler's son, and he declares matrial law, and that we know live in a dictatorship, we won't be able to do anything (possibly due to the flouride having stuck out teeth together. Or something).
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When you've got unarmed cops up against criminals with automatics, yes, we have.
"Now, either everyone in Britain is a moron"
Oh, you set yourself up for that one.
So tell me, Liam. Who in Brittain owns the majority of the guns, besides your military?
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Some time ago, I posted an article from a London paper, complete with references, about the fact that the UK was being flooded with millions of illegal handguns since the ban, and that gun use among gangs was steadily increasing. You should be able to go find that in whatever archives exist, your own self.
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First: Just because the wording of the second amendment is a bit off, the spirit is that people were allowed to keep guns because, if there was another war, they were going to need them in order to be part of the well-regulated militiae.
Omega: Is that USS Brittain, the misspelled starship?
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Because a well regulated militia is nesecary to maintain the freedom of the people, the government may not infringe upon the people's rights to own and carry weapons.
Anyone think that this doesn't mean the same, thing before I go on?
TSN:
What is your basis for that conclusion? 'Cause I'm basing mine on the actual wording of the law, and the words of the people who made it.
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Well, if that's the way you're going to be...
Now that we have an outrageously well-funded military to defend us, a "well-regulated militia" is not necessary any longer, therefore this amendment ought to be repealed, anyway.
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Except that you seem to be missing the point.
The Gentlemen that wrote this Amendment had recently overthrown their Government, which is the purpose of the Second Amendment. This is so we have the ability to do like we did, because they wanted us to have the same chance we did. They knew, above everyone else, that a Government can go out of control, and We the people must have a way to protect ourselves from it.
This clause has two points in it, the states get a well regulated militia, the National Guard, and the people of the US have the right to keep and bare arms.
If you take the Second Amendment at face value you are snubbing your nose at Washington, telling him that what he and his associates did was for nothing. And by repealing it you are telling these same men that we might have just as well remained under British rule, for now, just over 200 years later, we will allow our government to do whatever it wants and we will take it.
In the gasoline thread we bitched about the price of gas, but we never talked about the taxes added on to it. Which, yes, someplaces suspended or lowered. But taxes were the last straw then.
So, in conclusion, gun control is a form of Government we can not have, looking at our founding fathers point of view.
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Ritty's right. You have to look at the government like... like a reformed criminal that you need to do a job for you. You're gonna let them do the job, but you also want insurance in the event that they can't be trusted. Thus privately owned guns.
Tim:
"Now that we have an outrageously well-funded military to defend us, a "well-regulated militia" is not necessary any longer, therefore this amendment ought to be repealed, anyway."
My friend, your irrationality never ceases to amaze me. As we've been through before, privately owned guns are to defend your rights, against threats from whatever quarter. A: that's not the military's job. The intent of the military is to defend us from EXTERNAL threats, of which there are thankfully few. B: there is NO organization capable of defending you against all threats. The only sure way to do it is to do it yourself. C: What if the military itself BECAME the threat?
Tell me, Tim: give me the sequence of events that you think would follow the repellation of the second ammendment?
Why are you libs so set on eliminating my right to own a gun that you become irrational, anyway? I don't see it.
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Why do I get the feeling that Professor Farnsworth is talking to one of Omega's descendants in this WAV?
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Nah. Americans have their own special type of "ooh, I'm so shallow, please define me" type of gayness.
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But it's less a "define me", as a "we need ta fai'ght 'gainst tha oppresive gov'ment.".
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I was talking on an individual level. At least as shown by the people on the American Big Brother. Yeesh.
In their defense though, they did make the Simpsons. So it's not all bad.
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