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Well, Omega, Clinton didn't have a heart attack during the campaign, either. Which is the same reason that Dubya's health condition isn't being debated (at least not that I know of) -- neither of those candidates has been to the hospital with heart problems during the campaign, and then now a month into the administration.
Hey, it's Cheney's business if he wants to stay in office. However, his health is poor. That's a matter of record. There is no debating it. He wants to injure his health by staying in the campaign, and ... well, that's his business. It won't be a loss if Cheney kills himself keeping up his pace.
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My grandfather on my father's side was in near-perfect health, until he had ONE 'surprise' heart attack, and died at 49.
My gf's father has had a broken back, cataracts, several cardiac incidents' and has undergone at least three angioplasties and heart catheterizations... and is still a stubborn old grouch at 88.
Health, schmelth.
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Yeah, but your gf's father isn't being asked to be Vice President of your country. Cheney is, and it's clear that his health is an issue, especially in such a high pressure job.
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My grandfather on my father's side was in near-perfect health, until he had ONE 'surprise' heart attack, and died at 49.
Just out of curiousity, but did he say he was in near-perfect health, or a doctor?
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The military doctors did. My dad's dad flew them big old bombers. B-22, etc.
Mind you, this DID happen before certain techniques that might have led to a different diagnosis were adequately developed.
I'm interested in knowing if the same people who want Cheney to step down now would have wanted FDR and/or Wilson (both were pretty sickly) to step down as well.
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They were Presidents at the time, ya'know. (Admittedly, FDR DID die in office... in his fourth term.)
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And I believe Wilson had a stroke during his term, rendering one side of his body useless, and his wife was more-or-less in charge for part of his presidency. Or am I remembering incorrectly?
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I would like to point out that not many people knew of FDR's true medical condition: the news that he was in a wheelchair nearly killed my grandfather, who idolized the man.
But then again, FDR is hardly the same as Cheney. Even die-hard Republicans (such as my grandad) who lived through the Great Depression and the War loved the man. Speak ill of FDR, and you'd likely find yourself with a shotgun in your face if Grandad had his way ... of course, speak well of Clinton or Gore (or George W.), and you'd be facing the same shotgun again.
Not trying to make this too political, but no, if FDR were running for office (or in office) right now, his health would be a much bigger issue than it was 60 years ago, and the voices shouting for him to resign would be much louder than those today for Cheney to step down.
I do think that Cheney is putting his health on the line. That is of course his decision ... well, his and his family.
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Wasn't there also one that had a life-threatening cancer?
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Then there was William Henry Harrison, who, while healthy when he was elected, was foolish enough to make a very long speech in very cold weather, without a coat, contracted pneumonia, and died after a month in office.
And there was some other president who served his term with a bullet lodged somewhere in his body.. whether it was from a failed assassination attempt or an old war wound, I'm not sure.
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Any references to FDR is comparing a different time to a different place. But please bear this in mind, his condition and that of Wilson brought about the interest in the health of the major elected leaders of the nation.
Cheney stays in office. Great. Someone to continue to wind the key in Double U every morning. However, if something happens to him, it is going to be a huge distraction to an administration who needs to avoid distractions as much as possible.
I think it's time to move on now.
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I could care less about whether or not Cheney is in office. All you guys seem to be arguing about whether he should or shouldn't.
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I wouldn't care less if Cheney worked himself so much that he just drops dead in the middle of Congress hearings and such. The point is that it is Cheney's choice to run as VP. He knows the risks, he lives with the risks. If he lives, then great. If he dies, then the country mourns (or at least half of it). And that's that.
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That's hardly that. The vice president has few official duties, but the most important one they do have is to be available to take over the office of the president at any time should it become necessary. How is that not a subject that's important to discuss?
Having said that, I don't think Cheney needs to resign. I don't think he really can, either. He's an integral part of the Bush White House.
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Then there's the curious question of how he could be replaced. I mean, with a fifty-fifty split in the Senate, and no tie-breaker, we could end up with a deadlock until the '02 election.
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