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Also, didn't "evil" fish survive the flood? Is that where all the nastiness in the world came from? Evil salmon?
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I could get involved in this but I'm not sure if I really want to. No matter what type of scientific data we science type folks bring in, those that are arguing against it will find someway to dispute it. Oh carbon dating is based on a time developed by scientist so it is going to prove what they want it to. I personally don't put much "faith" in the bible as a legitamite source of information. Anything that has been put together by man is suceptable to his own faults. And because there is no proof and I mean NO Proof that the bible suddenly appear through gods great graces, I'm going to believe that it was man that made it.
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You don't seem to know that there's a difference between traits being shared among family groups and actual "evolution." It's called "microevolution", as opposed to "macroevolution". Look it up.
Isn't natural selection a Darwinian idea?
Yes. Darwin DID have some decent ideas. Different species arising through evolution just wasn't one of them, nor was it a logical outgrowth of them.
Just because members of a certain species that have a certain trait are more likely to survive in a certain environment doesn't mean that they're also more likely to become incapable of reproducing with other specimines, and thus forming a new species.
Tim:
"Natural selection", "evolution", "survival of the fittest"... They're all pretty much the same thing.
No, they're not. See above.
Rob:
Still, the space problem is there. Especially if you're bringing all the sauropods on board...
Unless, of course, you bring young, or even unhatched eggs. No need to feed them, eh?
There's also the question of exactly what would happen to all the species once they were in a completely enclosed environment, with no external time signatures. Have any experiments been done to that effect?
Nimrod:
I don't understand, dinos were already extinct by the time of the flood, weren't they?
Not necessarily. They could have been extinct, or they could have been brought as eggs, and later died out. Either way...
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Suddenly it's 1999 again. If the Flameboard archives stretched back far enough, we could just cut and paste the identical arguments from older threads into this one.
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Actually, I've heard that unicorns may be modified goats. There's this couple who found that earlier depictions of unicorns looked more like goats than horses, and that horns on kids have not yet connected to the skull. So they did some surface surgical work, removed one horn and moved the other to the middle. And viola, you've got a unicorn.
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"Just because members of a certain species that have a certain trait are more likely to survive in a certain environment doesn't mean that they're also more likely to become incapable of reproducing with other specimines, and thus forming a new species."
As many words as you used, this basically amounts to saying "You're wrong.". Well, my response to that is, "No, you're wrong.".
Besides, what makes you think you get to define "species". If the biologists classify horses and donkeys as different species, despite their ability to reproduce, who are you to refute it? They are the ones who decide the definition of "species" and, if they say two creatures who can procreate together are separate species, they're separate species. That's how it works.
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We're talking about cold-blooded creatures, First. No incubation necessary.
Oh, and they were on the ark for more like a year, BTW.
Tim:
Besides, what makes you think you get to define "species".
Who says I need to? You want to use the definition from the screwed-up classification system, fine, but my definition is what is aplicable to the argument at hand. Noah wouldn't have needed to pick up every scientifically classified species on the planet. He would just have needed to pick up every legitimately different species on the planet. As I've shown, there is a great difference.
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So he could've scooped up two house cats instead of two tigers or two lions? Yeah, that would help save space now that I think about it ...
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That's such a stupid statement, and has so utterly little to do with anything I've said, that I'm not even going to waste time addressing his fictional point. 'Course, if anyone else thinks that JK has a legitimate point here, then I may have to stamp out the ignorance before it spreads further, but until then...
You want to show him his error, Rob?
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