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"Those damn liberals -- passing new gun control laws they don't enforce!"
That's what I hear quite a bit from my right-wing friends whenever the topics of guns comes up. Sometimes I wonder how educated they truly are on the subject. They're all in favor of George W. Bush -- they think he'll actually enforce existing laws.
Hey, maybe he'll start.
But he sure didn't in Texas.
With Bush as governor, Texas law enforcement agencies were aware of hundreds of convicted felons who may have illegally possessed firearms, but did nothing about it. Federal law prohibits convicted felons from possessing guns. Yet hundreds of convicted felons have shown up -- gun in hand -- to attend the required (Texas) training course. More than 600 applicants for a concealed weapons permit have been turned down because they were convicted felons. As of December 1999, not one of them had been prosecuted.
Looks like the ones opposed to gun control laws are the conservatives. Maybe if they'd start enforcing the laws on the books, gun crimes would go down. Of course, if they did that, *gasp* the NRA might not be able to scare quite as many people.
It's also interesting to note that under the concealed weapon's law in Texas,
3,051 Texans with the permits were arrested (27 on charges of attempted murder and manslaughter)
Felony and misdemenor charges againt those w/ concealed permits increased 54% from the first year to the second year of the program.
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Not surprising Republicans wouldn't enforce gun control laws ... I mean, otherwise people might actually wake up and realize that they work! (This way they can rail against liberals). I'd love to hear Rush spin this one.
------------------ Star Trek Gamma Quadrant Average Rated 6.27 out of 10 Smileys by Fabrux (with four eps posted) *** "Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!" -Forum Member Who Shall Be Nameless. 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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That was a stupid thing to say Kosh. Go fuck a horse.
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This is the most useless post I've ever seen
Well, of course it is. Anything that portrays George W. Bush as being soft on gun crime and a suck-up to the NRA (no wonder he picked Cheney) is of course useless. And a smack in the face of those who say Gun Control laws are passed and not enforced by liberals.
In this case, they're passed and not enforced by the guy who passed 'em.
There was a bit of a scandal in Maryland a few years back. There's a 7-day waiting period, and the check is run through the State Police. Well, one week, the Police didn't do that great a job of keeping their records up to date who was/wasn't supposed to get a gun, and about 20 convicted felons bought (or submitted paperwork to buy) handguns.
Needless to say, the State Police were very embarassed, every one of those 20 were arrested and prosecuted, and the problem has yet to be a problem again.
Oh, yeah, Maryland is a liberal state.
So ...
Maryland Liberals = Tough on Gun Control laws
Texas Conservatives = Like to pass lots of laws and not enforce them
------------------ Star Trek Gamma Quadrant Average Rated 6.27 out of 10 Smileys by Fabrux (with four eps posted) *** "Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!" -Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001 **** "The candidate who slimed John McCain in the primaries and smeared Al Gore in the general election is now the president who pledges to elevate the nation's tone and bring civility to our discorse. Kind of like Michael Corleone brought peace to the mob by killing the heads of the other four families." --Paul Begala, Is Our Children Learning?
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It is so much easier to make a claim and accept it as truth as it is to actually verify it.
Right, if you can, state your source, otherwise it can be ignored as unsubstantiated.
And I was refering to *your* post, JK. Its utterly useless. And your second one is as well. You're making claims, but not verifying them. Any reason why? I hypothesize its because you can't.
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For Maryland, go look through the archives of the Baltimore Sun. You should be able to find it. Quite a scandal and a couple of top troopers got fired because of it.
Cheney? Let's see ...
--voted against the Undectable Firearms Act of 1988, which outlawed guns that are made with so little metal they can defeat a metal detector (he was one of only four congressmen to do so). When asked about his vote, he replied that "obviously {I} wasn't in the pocket of the NRA." (Yeah, cuz he's even more to the right than they are and that's hard to do).
--Voted against a ban on the armor-piercing "cop killer" bullets. He was one of only 21-House members to oppose the ban. (Not surprisngly, he also voted against funding programs to prevent family violence and to provide shelter for the victims of family violence).
1988 CQ Almanac, p. 40-H, vote #118 New York Times, 7/25/00 H.R. 3132, vote #1465, 12/17/85 1984 CQ Almanac, p. 6-H, vote #14
Or do you mean Bush allowing 600 convicted felons to purchase firearms and not be prosecuted? Or the whole record on guns?
"You want my sources?" "I think I'm entitled!" "You want my sources?!" "I want your sources!" "You can't handle the sources!"
They would be:
Houston Chronicle 3/23/99 Greensboro News & Record 11/29/98 Portland Press Herald 6/6/99 Associated Press 7/22/99 International Defense Review 9/1/97
*ahem*
The only point I'm trying to make, is that while certain forum members here like to talk about how liberals like to pass lots of gun control laws and then not enforce them ...
When in fact, George W. Bush hasn't been doing a super great job of enforcing them either.
So, while its not true to say liberals like to pass law and not enforce them, it's also not true to say conservatives like to pass laws and enforce them.
------------------ Star Trek Gamma Quadrant Average Rated 6.27 out of 10 Smileys by Fabrux (with four eps posted) *** "Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!" -Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001 **** "The candidate who slimed John McCain in the primaries and smeared Al Gore in the general election is now the president who pledges to elevate the nation's tone and bring civility to our discorse. Kind of like Michael Corleone brought peace to the mob by killing the heads of the other four families." --Paul Begala, Is Our Children Learning?
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The title of his book is a direct quote from the President of the United States
------------------ Star Trek Gamma Quadrant Average Rated 6.27 out of 10 Smileys by Fabrux (with four eps posted) *** "Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!" -Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001 **** "The candidate who slimed John McCain in the primaries and smeared Al Gore in the general election is now the president who pledges to elevate the nation's tone and bring civility to our discorse. Kind of like Michael Corleone brought peace to the mob by killing the heads of the other four families." --Paul Begala, Is Our Children Learning?
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