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Whoever did this may have wanted to attack the ideas that America stands for...unfortunately the body bags are being filled with bodies...
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They've arrested two Saudi Arabian nationals at JFK Airport, Peter Jennings reports. They were posing as pilots and had piloting licenses. And their tickets were dated 9/11. There must be more terrorists out there. And then they arrest three men at La Guarida.
As for Bush, I may be Democrat, but I have respect for him. He is our country's leader, and he is doing everything he can. Think what it would be like if you were President.
People say that they are angry because not everything was done to prevent this attack. The truth is, nothing could have been done. The US receives thousands of threats every day. They can't all be investigated. And the terrorists have been planning this for 15 or more months...before Bush was president. This did not happen because Bush was president. It would've happened under Gore or Clinton or any other Commander in Chief.
quote:Originally posted by Omega: Capitalism and freedom came under specific, direct attack Tuesday. That'd be an attack on America. The UN wouldn't be ticked, if not for the loss if innocent life.
This is not a criticism. I just don't want any confusion here. We were attacked because the idiots that did this hate the concepts of freedom, capitalism, and democracy. America, the idea, WAS attacked, no question about it.
I respectfully disagree.
Firstly, on your point on how "The UN wouldn't be ticked, if not for the loss if innocent life." ...well, what exactly would this disaster comprise if people hadn't been killed? If you're referring to an analagous attack where twin towers were destroyed but no people died, I'd still say the UN would take issue with it. Or is it an evil socialist World order that wouldn't care about billions and billions of dollars of damage to the global economy?
Secondly, I don't think Islamic fundamentalists give a flying fuck what kind of government the US has, be it democratic, dictatorial or nepotic( ). They don't care if their enemy is capitalist or communist (Afghani-Soviet War, anyone?). They don't lie in bed at night fuming with jealousy because the US is "free" and they aren't.
They resent the fact that they are weaker than the US. They resent the fact that the West has more say in determing how the world operates than they do. They resent fundamental human values such as peaceful coexistence and non-violent settlement of problems. They showed the world that as far as they were concerned, the rest of the world's ideals didn't matter to them and they would breach them to achieve their ends.
So, yes, Blair was right when he said that the whole free world was attacked yesterday. It was an attack on the ideals of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the states that support them, not an attack on a method of choosing a government or circulating wealth.
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"We were attacked because the idiots that did this hate the concepts of freedom, capitalism, and democracy. America, the idea, WAS attacked, no question about it."
America is possible the most visible part of that idea, but it's by no means the only one. What does the UK stand for? Or the EU? Or is the US the only country that's allowed to "stand" for something?
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I don't think the guy could be charged w/ treason. Here's the definition:
"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason..." -US Code, title 18, part I, chapter 115, section 2381
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ABC News: The US Army has called upon its Reserves, the Secret Service has enlarged the security perimeter around the White House, the helicopters patrolling it have turned on their search lights, Norhtwest has stopped their flights, and Dick Cheney was removed to Camp David. It is belived these things are related.
quote:And the terrorists have been planning this for 15 or more months...
Where'd you get THAT number from ... ?
Yes, the attack would've come no matter who was in office. You're not going to see whomever the Democratic Presidential candidate is in two years saying, "George W. Bush is responsible for the most hideous terrorist attack on this country!"
And if Gore had been in office, whichever Republican ran against him wouldn't have made the same claim.
People will be questioning the reasons behind the funding of SDI instead of more realistic security concerns -- how many people here saw the FAA study where FAA undercover officers were able to smuggle guns and pipe bombs and do other mischief on 170 seperate occasions -- ?
Heads will roll for the lack of preperation. I'm not saying Bush's will -- or should -- but, SDI is going to go under the microscope.
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"The Government seems to know something we don't."
Um... Maybe you don't know, but I think everyone else does. It's been decided that flights 77 and 93 (Pentagon and Pennsylvania crashes) were probably actually headed for Washington. There's evidence that the White House was to be a target. Airplanes are starting to fly again.
The terrorists didn't finish their job the first time around, and the chance to try again is starting to present itself.
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As to what the Islamic fundamentalists resent, I was watching a documentary which asked various members and experts of non-fundamentalist and non-militant Islamic groups, who said that the continued American occupation of their country is what offends the Taliban. Not that this excuses their actions in any way, of course.
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quote: I was watching a documentary which asked various members and experts of non-fundamentalist and non-militant Islamic groups, who said that the continued American occupation of their country is what offends the Taliban.
?????? We are occupying Afganistan???
(I'm assuming they are refering to our base in SA.)
Fuck, I've got to watch the news more.
Lets put this out there for debate:
Isn't the real reason for this because of USA support of Isreal?
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It has nothing to do with us, specifically. We're here, and we're not Islamic (of course, neither are THEY, per say, but they think they are). That's reason enough for them to hate us. And everyone else.
For one thing, how is anyone planning on paying for the $40 billion bill passed tonight?
Remember? Surplus. BIG surplus. $150 billion surplus this year alone.
And again, this has nothing to do with SDI, so drop that.
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Yes. The fact that you are supplying weapons to their most hated enemy has nothing to do with it.
While it is probably comforting to think they did it because they hate the US for being different, it's not true. The US does have a measure of blame here. (Not that is excuses what they did in any way, but you weren't attacked just because you were a "free and democratic country". You were attacked because you are helping their mortal enemies).
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). They don't care if their enemy is capitalist or communist (Afghani-Soviet War, anyone?). They don't lie in bed at night fuming with jealousy because the US is "free" and they aren't.
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