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Fairly minor "Unimatrix Zero, part 2" spoiler warning... -TSN
According to "Unimatrix Zero part 2" species 8472 lives in the Beta quadrant. They are also, undoubtably, a major power in the Beta quadrant as well. Also, Axim said that he was going to try asking for 8472's help in defeating the borg. Do you think we are going to see more of 8472?
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quote:According to "Unimatrix Zero part 2" species 8472 lives in the Beta quadrant. They are also, undoubtably, a major power in the Beta quadrant as well.
*runs crazy against wall* This has to be a joke. Oh, I hate Voyager. First it wrecked the Borg and now Species 8472. :-(
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He just said he was patrolling the border of fluidic space. It looks like you can enter fluidic space wherever you create the singularity portal. Maybe there is just some natural conduit in the Beta Quadrant that the Borg have discovered and are keeping an eye on. With their transwarp conduits, the Borg can hang out anywhere in the galaxy. They managed to send some drones back home before the Wolf 359 cube was destroyed at Earth. Just my two cents.
G | D | | | *<-(Voyager?) _________|__________ | | | *<-(fluidic space border?) A | B
So much for my little ascii graphic of the galaxy. The Alpha and Gamma Quadrants got scrunched.
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There is NO reason to think that the Beta quadrant is in the southeast corner. It'd make no sense to put it there. Things aren't designated in random orders. They're designated clockwise or counter. If that were the case, then Voyager would be excited about getting to the BETA quadrant, not the Alpha quadrant.
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Yes, there was a clearly labeled map onscreen in "Pathfinder," showing
G | D _____
A | B
On the other hand, that same map showed Voyager in the Beta Quadrant, so maybe that's not the best example...
And I agree with Galen's interpretation of the Beta Quadrant statement. There may not be a naturally-occuring portal there, but they might be scanning the part of fluidic space congruent to the Beta Quadrant to make sure everything's quiet.
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Didn't Axun say that he was in a Borg ship patrolling the edge of fluidic space on the OTHER side of the galaxy? If Voyager is STILL in the Delta Quadrant, then wouldn't the opposite side of space be in the Alpha Quadrant?
Gamma - Delta <- Voyager
Galactic Core
Fluidic Space -> Alpha - Beta
Or have the Beta and Alpha Quadrants been flipped? It makes logical sense to me fluidic space or a gateway into it is in the Alpha.
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No, he said it was in Beta quadrant. Whether he said it was on the other side of the galaxy, I'm not sure, but assuming he did, that wouldn't nesecarily mean exactly opposite Voyager on a line passing through the galactic core. But assuming it did, it would more support my model. So there.
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Yes, Axim later said that he was on a scout ship in the Beta quadrant. And it was established earlier in the episode that Axim's scout ship was patrolling fluidic space. There are three ways to be "on the other side of the galaxy" if your in the delta quadrant, or any quadrant for that matter. The Delta and Beta quadrants, for example, Are on two different sides of the galaxy (The delta quad is on the north side and the Beta quad. is on the south side) even though they are both on the east side of the galaxy. Soontir, What I am trying to say in this seriously long-winded and over complicated speech is that Axim meant "on the other side of the galaxy" in terms of North to South, not North-east to South-west.
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I see...usually when someone says 'the other side' of something one would usually think of almost directly opposite of what they are talking about. I forgot that this is Voyager that is being discussed. Normal logic doesn't apply.
From what you've said MIB, I see your logic with the Delta/Beta locations. But still, wouldn't access to fluidic space need a gateway or portal? Wasn't Species 8472 mentioned as being from another universe/dimension/reality? I though that this species was really far out from normal Trekian races. Being Beta Quadrant based makes them seen so much more normal than they were portrayed in Scorpian.
Then again maybe it's just me :P
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1) The quadrants are numbered counter-clockwise, using greek letters in order: Alpha, Beta, Delta, Gamma. This has been shown in the map in the DS9 Technical Manual and confirmed on screen. Also, Rick Sternbach has confirmed that Voyager is very close to entering the Beta Quadrant.
Voyager is excited about returning to the Alpha Quadrant because earth lies on the Alpha/Beta border, so they need to reach the Alpha Quadrant to reach Earth.
2) "The other side of the Galaxy" is vague. If I am in Maine, I might call Seattle "The other side of the country", despite the fact that San Diego is more diametricly opposed. All we can say for certain about Axum's location is that it is in the Beta Quadrant, it is near/on a border of fluidic space, and it is distant from Voyager's current location.
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