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All I know is that I really don't want to see Seven getting all smootchy and human-like with her new little idealist Borg-toy. If they're gonna be plowing through the Beta Quadrant, you know they're gonna hook up. That might just be too painful for me to watch.
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It seems like that ST production staff members need some re-education about the Greek alphabet. Not only did they ordered the quadrants Alpha, Beta, Delta, Gamma counter-clockwise, but the TNG:TM also shows a graphic of a tricorder with a couple of buttons ordered ___________ |ALPHA|BETA | |-----------| |DELTA|GAMMA| -----------
(AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH! Why do ASCII figures always get f**ked up??!!)
if I remember it correctly. Anyway, it was screwed up.
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The tricorder drawing in the TNG TM was indeed screwed up, but none of the actual tricorder props were - they always had a regular alpha-beta-gamma-delta sequence for those four mysterious buttons.
The only map to use the actual names "Alpha Quadrant" and "Beta Quadrant" yet may be the one we saw in "Message in a Bottle", but there are other maps of interest. TNG used a map with lots of little yellow boxes, in two different versions. One was an "edge-on" perspective view to our galaxy, with the core on the background, Klingon and Romulan homeworlds to the right and numerous TOS locations and real star names scattered to the left. This was apparently supposed to be some sort of a UFP map, and was shown in several TNG episodes. DS9 resurrected the map for the O'Brien schoolroom wall decoration, and supposedly added Cardassia and Bajor to the left side of the map.
Some other TNG episodes like "The Emissary" used a traditional view of the galaxy from "above", with the little boxes drawn on the lower half of the map, Earth on the vertical centerline.
If the TNG/DS9 box map is to be believed, then "lower right" is where Klingons and Romulans live, and "lower left" is where the Cardassians are. "Directly down" from galactic core is where Earth sits. This all agrees with the idea that Alpha is lower left and Beta is lower right, since Cardassia is definitely in Alpha while Klingons have at least some holdings in Beta (as per ST6). However, this map tells nothing about the relative arrangements of Delta and Gamma. In fact, it predates the invention of galactic quadrants by Paramount.
Also of interest is the fact that the "box map" shows a Federation thousands of lightyears across, with something like 10,000 ly between Earth and Cardassia alone. Unless this is some sort of a "zoom-in" map, of course...
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Gee. Mine has the other quadrants clearly labeled. It also shows the end of the Bajoran Wormhole and the location of the Caretaker's Array from Voyager.
However, your other point is easilly conceded: I have scanned and blown up the map, and the Federation shown is about 1500ly across, while the Ferengi get 2000ly, and Cardassia 3500. The Romulan Border is 2000ly from Federation space, and every other power is more than 1000ly away. And more...
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I seriously doubt that their space extends much beyond their homeworld, unless they've got some other races couquered. Ferengi females can't leave the homeworld, so how're they gonna start colonies?
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To be claer (which I wasn't), the thing I called "mine" was not a thing of my own creation. I was refering to the map in the DS9 Tech Manula, which (at least I thought), someone had said wasn't labeled.
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For clarity's sake, it should be mentioned that there are two relevant maps in the DS9 TM. One shows the entire galaxy, with those huge thousand-ly empires labeled. Another shows Bajor, Cardassia and Ferenginar, all neatly within 50 ly of each other.
Also, the text basically confirms the scale of this latter map and contradicts the former. Even if we assume that the latter map omits 3D info and Ferenginar is actually thousands of lightyears "above" or "below" the map plane, the text clearly says that it's just 50 ly from Bajor to the "UFP inner defence perimeter" or somesuch. This doesn't agree with the wide gulfs between Earth, Cardassian territory and Ferengi territory seen in the former map.
So the galactic map must be "partially zoomed in" into the empires of interest, or something like that.
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I gather that the Ferengi may have conquered the Hypurians... (Zek's butler Maihardu) and Hypurian Beetle Snuff... and in "Legends of the Ferengi" (Yeah not canon but written by them so...) That the only real war fought by the Ferengi was against the Hypurians...
Of course Ferengi Women probably can leave Ferenginar - they just have to probably be 'shipped' like cargo.
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Which brings to mind... What was the race that threatened the ten brave Ferengi who later became legends for standing their ground (and being slaughtered to the last goblin)? You know, the legend Nog quoted in "The Magnificient Ferengi"?
I would assume that the Ferengi had traveled quite far from their homeworld before they made contact with the Federation. After all, they lament in "The Nagus" that the entire Alpha quadrant already knows them by their bad reputation. How much of that "entire" is hyperbole is left for the reader to decide, but it sounds as if the Ferengi indeed had a trade empire at least a couple of thousand lightyears across.
A trade empire, mind you - not one where the planets have been conquered and occupied. The Ferengi have probably roamed space skipping the unpromising sales prospects and concentrating on the profitable ones. The Federation first met them at Gamma Tauri, and anything with "Taurus" in the name should be towards the rim from Earth - but all maps show Ferenginar corewards and rotationwards from Earth. So this would suggest that there was lots of Ferengi-visited space between Ferenginar and Gamma Tauri, but this space was not really occupied or even truly frequented by the Ferengi and the Feds thus never met them there.
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Of course the Ferengi might have DELIBERATELY avoided the Federation... instead dealing with 'easier targets' like say hmm... the Denebians... you know from Encounter...
Andrew
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