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Yeah, and that was around 2280, so even more evidence that the war actually took place later than Spock stated.
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I'm almost positive that Khan mentioned a lauch date for the Botany Bay to Chekov when he was giving him his "You never told him the story" speech in Star Trek 2.
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I just watched ST2 relatively recently, and I, too, thought he explicitly said "1996"...
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IIRC, in "Space Seed" Khan stated what Sol said. In TWOK, Khan stated that the Botany Bay was lost in the year 1996.
Okuda decided to use the 1996 reference in the Chronology, ignoring (or he had forgotten) the other reference, which would have made more sense in terms of how the "real" year 1996 turned out. Maybe that's why the admiral in that DS9 ep stated the "revised" time period for the Eugenics Wars.
Unfortunately, Rain Robinson had a model of the Botany Bay in her office in 1997. Maybe that model was of the Botany Bay's prototype ship, and the BB wasn't built until the 21st century?
If they ever make a TWOK Special Edition, they could digitally overdub Khan's "1996" line into 2096, or even 2063 to coincide with WWIII. That "Eastern Coalition" in FC could have had something to do with the Eugenics project.
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I believe the chronology also states that some major areas were spared the destruction of the Eugenics Wars (like California). It's possible that it was mostly a European conflict and whatever effects it had had on the Western United States were not apparent a year later.
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Actually, I believe Khan was based in India/Asia...
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Khan DOES says he left Earth on 1996, and before that he was a "prince."
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Even if it was confined to Europe, I don't remember a war in 1996...
Didn't the Genetic Supermen take over 3/4 of the Earth's surface, or something, according to Space Seed?
And what was the EXACT quote from TWOK, cause I seem to remember the "200 years ago, I was a prince" line, and placed the 1996 line in Space Seed. It still doesn't make much sense, but then, they didn't actually say WHEN Star Trek took place until ST IV, did they?
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One of the reasons I think VOY is the worst series, is that whatever happens in VOY, it has no effect whatsoever to the rest of Trek, i.e. the Alpha Quadrant, the Federation or anything. It is just plain stupid a little ship like Voyager keeps avoiding trouble. Maybe if they'd made the ship a lot bigger, we could have had interesting characters, like on TNG.
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Indeed, can we get back on topic, and try to find better reasons why Voyager sucks, apart from "they ignored the Eugenics War!"
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TOS largely had no effect on the Federation.
You can argue that TNG had more interesting characters, but that's hardly due to them having the bigger ship. We've had roughly the same number of leads.
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personally, I think voyager is a great show to those who dont care as much. If you have a life, and dont care that section 4, paragraph 2, line 6 of the prime directive is being broken, then i think, to a point, most people can enjoy it.
Something that does bother me, however, is the fact that they should be nearing or in romulan space by now. ugh.
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