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P0sitr0nic: I was kidding. I'm just saying that if they go back and try to make it all fit into some scheme by the Borg or anyone else, it won't work in a big way.
And as for that possible ending that Jeff posted, I gotta say, "No way." They would never have the series finale rely so heavily on elements form the other series. They wouldn't take the chance on alienating peopel who have never seen DS9 or TNG. That wouldn't be the Paramount way.
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As Mr. Magnus so rightly pointed out, this is fanboy drivel aimed at misleading the sad gits that hinge on what happens to Voyager.
Captain Nog, "tough little ship", and Riker commanding the Ent-E.
Fuck's sake, could there be more bollixology compressed into that!?
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Aban, I know you were kidding.. I was just pointing out that the Kazon sucked, as I like to do whenever I get a chance to do so ^_^
As for the Ent-E and or the Defiant, Paramount DID use the Defiant in ST First Contact. And the Ent-D in DS9's Premier. So a ship/personel crossover isnt totally without precident.
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Yah, the Kazon were kind of boring. But they couldn't have been too powerful or Voyager wouldn't have stood a chance. At least they developed the back stroy of the species a little.
The Defiant in FC: I loved it and thought it was a nice cross over, but it was done too the great dismay of the DS9 people and is generally seen (I think) as a contrivance to get Worf back in the picture. Personally, I think it was a fine way to do it, but Jadzia should've been at the helm...
The Ent. D in DS9: This was done totally on purpose using TNG to launch DS9. It provided the initial carryover that the series needed to establish its place in the Trek universe. It was also carefully coordinated with TNG so that TNG would be involved in the Bajoran/Maquis conflict. Bottom line...the carry over worked. Sticking elements of the two series in at the end of Voyager would serve no purpose other than to make the fan boys soil themselves. Not that it wouldn't be sort of cool, but if Riker's only in it for 2 minutes, than it's just a guest shot ala "Deathwish". And pointless guest shots shouldn't be used in the series finale IMHO. They have more important issues to focus on.
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Yeah, but what about the other crossovers - one ep where Riker contacts Quark for help with something or other, and another one where Bashir seeks Data's assistance in examining an alien device (which ends up triggering Data's dreaming; also, considering it was a sciency project, shouyld have been Dax, but Terry Farrell was unavailable to do it)? Those seem to have just been to stimulate interest in the spin-off show. . .
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Yah. And to establish a sense of continuity. And that was fine. But it wasn't done in either show's season, or series finale. The fact that they were there wasn't used to wrap anything up and it didn't take attention away from the story that was being told. They were just extras. I think throwing easter eggs like that in at the end of the series just for the hell of it would be cheap.
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Actually, O'BRIEN should've been at the helm of the Defiant in First Contact. It would've been great to have him and Worf back with the crew of the Enterprise!
IMHO, of course ...
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While we're on the subject, let's not forget that Sisko probably should have been commanding the Defiant. It's what he built her for. He shares, with Picard and probably with hundreds if not thousands of other Starfleet personnel a personal grudge against the Borg.
Of course, you couldn't have had Sisko be in it and get the same film. Would have made for a great alternate one, though.
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Personally, I think the movie should've started off at DS9 with Worf and the Defiant being ordered to Earth to help defend against the attack. Cameos by Sisko and Dax would've been sweet. The Enterprise's first appearance should've been when she swooped in to rescue the Defiant.
Think about it, everytime we've seena new Enterprise, it's been with this huge fanfare of music or action. How did they intrduce the Ent E? Oh, she's sitting in a nebula...
That's a little off topic and just MHO, of course.
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quote:Personally, I think the movie should've started off at DS9 with Worf and the Defiant being ordered to Earth to help defend against the attack. Cameos by Sisko and Dax would've been sweet.
That's what happened. Supposedly Avery Brooks filmed a scene where he sends Worf to join the fleet.
quote:The Enterprise's first appearance should've been when she swooped in to rescue the Defiant. Think about it, everytime we've seena new Enterprise, it's been with this huge fanfare of music or action. How did they intrduce the Ent E? Oh, she's sitting in a nebula...
Never heard anyone complain about the first appearance of the E-E before. I thought it was quite nice, the slow bloody endless crawls over the various ships in spacedock were getting pretty tedious. If ever there was a class that should be seen in space, it's the Sovereign, go-faster stripes and all. 8)
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I thought the whole movie lacked a sense of drama for new stuff though. And for the whole beginning of the story. The borg are here again. Oh, ok. They're attacking Earth. Oh, OK. Hey, we're on a new ship. Oh, OK.
I don't disagree with the fact that the ship shouldn't have been newly out of spacedock nor do I think that we should've gotten a shuttle craft tour of the thing. I just think our first shot of her should've had a little more oomf.
That said, I loved FC! And I had heard the rumor about the Sisko scene too.
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Then what in god's name did Picard have him flying the engineering hull in Encounter at Farpoint for?!
We've seen O'Brien at the helm more than once. Where did we first seem him on Star Trek? Oh, yeah: at the conn of the Enterprise's Battle Section. He's been at the Conn on the Defiant a few times. Makes sense that the Chief Engineer of a starship know how to fly the thing, wouldn't you say?
Besides, O'Brien didn't have to be at the helm -- he coulda been at Engineering or whatnot. But I think they missed a great opportunity to bring Colm Meaney in. Bullocks for them.
I always thought that Worf's presense at Earth was coincidental. Or, perhaps, Worf was commanding the Defiant on a convoy mission escorting some stuff to the Cardassians or whomever and Starfleet ordered him to haul his butt to Earth to fight the Borg. No time to swing by DS9 and pick up Ben.
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And the Defiant wasn't at Earth, as far as I recall. The intercom stuff seems to strongly imply that she was part of the fleet that met the Borg in the Typhon sector, no?
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Also, I heard that as originally as planned Word would be on Earth to coincide with the birth of O'Brien's second child, since he found the first one so traumatic! He wanted to get as far away as possible. . .
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