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Omega
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I seem to recall reading somewhere that the character of Valeris in TUC was originally intended to be Saavik. Anyone have more info on this? Seems like this could have made an already complex movie even moreso...

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I've heard about this as well, though I don't know any of the particulars.

IMO, having Saavik instead of Valeris would've traded complexities. On one hand, Spock nominating Saavik to succeed him as science officer of the Enterprise would have made a whole lot more emotional impact since the viewers had seen her before. The same would go for her betrayal. On the other hand, the "logic" of Saavik's decision to make that betrayal in the first place could've been a whole lot less reasonable.

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The Red Admiral
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I've done research on all of the movies and their making, and with Star Trek VI I cannot recall coming across any such rumour. So unless I'm mistaken the character Saavik was not really ever considered for this role.

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Sol System
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It may have just been wishful thinking on behalf of the viewers (Gosh, someone on the ship must be involved in the conspiracy. Could it be Chekov? Uhura? This new character no one has ever heard of before? I WONDER!), but the word, as far as I am aware of it, is that Saavik was considered in the earliest drafts of the story, but not for long. Maybe?
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I'm pretty sure this is mentioned in, um, The Good Book (you know, the one pretty damn likely to be on your shelf), in one of those italicized bits that loosen James Dixon's stools. If so, Red Admiral's research skills leave something to be desired.

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Now now, play nice.

As for a possible motive for Saavik turning traitor, wasn't there a cut line from TWoK that had her being half or part Romulan? It would explain her emotional gasp at seeing Scotty with his dead nephew and provide a certain amount of potential within her character for betrayal, given that Romulans are renowned for their treachery.

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That's a terrible idea. Shucks, she couldn't help it, she's jess a Rom'lan, suh!

Also more than a little hostile to the spirit of the film.

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From the Encyclopedia 2, page 425, last sentence of the "Saavik" entry:
An early-draft script for Star Trek VI featured Saavik in the role that eventually became Valeris.

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Lee
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I think the same rumour was mentioned in Shatner's Star Trek Movie Memories, but that Kirstie Alley was making too much money on Cheers so they couldn't afford her price.

I bet she'd kill for such an opportunity now, though. 8)

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Originally posted by Vogon Poet:
I think the same rumour was mentioned in Shatner's Star Trek Movie Memories, but that Kirstie Alley was making too much money on Cheers so they couldn't afford her price.

I bet she'd kill for such an opportunity now, though. 8)

Alley had already been replaced for star trek III, so i couldn't imagine them breaking continuity again by hiring her for star trek VI.
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quote:
Originally posted by Sol System:
That's a terrible idea. Shucks, she couldn't help it, she's jess a Rom'lan, suh!

Also more than a little hostile to the spirit of the film.

Which is probably why they changed the character to Valeris.

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Sol System
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There are plenty of other reasons. Saavik might, gasp!, actually think that helping the Klingons was a bad thing.
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I seem to recall reading somewhere that Saavik was intended for that role, but that she was too popular with the fans or something like that.

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Alright I admit it, I was wrong. But it all depends on what material you research, and where I dug and delved it wasn't mentioned! So that isn't my fault.

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I've heard both of these things over the years.

1. That Kirstie Alley was as close to the cost of the entire picture for her to reprise her role. (NICE when it was tWoK that STARTED her career.)

2. That Saavik was indeed supposed to be the character that Valeris eventually came.

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3. That Saavik was supposed to be Half-Vulcan/Half-Romulan

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4. That Saavik was supposed to be carrying Spock's child and that was why she was staying behind on Vulcan in Star Trek: IV.

ok they are all the rumours I've heard around the character of Saavik.

Andrew

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