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Just went to see it again. . . Not easy! Very few cinemas are still showing it, and even then only a couple of screenings a day - whereas Die Another Day, Two Towers and even Like Mike (the highlight of UK cinema releases the day Nemesis opened in the States) continue to enjoy full daily programmes. This is after two weeks, so oh yeah, it's tanked. . .
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The problem I have with many of these arguments is the corellation to other movies. Really, the only judge of whether a movie such as this has tanked is by comparing it to the other Trek movies.
Making $100 million in the first weekend should not be even a consideration. The best drawing Trek movie only accumulated about $110 overall! So, you shouln't even be comparing this with a LOTR or Star Wars, or any Pretty Woman-remake type chick flick.
The ratings are low for Star Trek movies, because they always have been. Star Trek movies are many times just two hour episodes with closed ends. The average 4-star rating for a Trek movie is about 1 1/2 stars. There is no surprise that Trek movies don't do well in the box office by comparison.
I think that if it flopps as a Trek movie, it is only due to two reasons: The watered-down Trek market that feels that it has to throw a movie out every 2-3 years, and the absolute atrocity known as Insurrection. Overall, the movie is at or slightly above average for a Trek movie. When the box office finally closes, it should make a profit enough to make Paramount happy.
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My point, anyway, is that there was a greater than usual gap between Insurrection and Nemesis, and thus, whatever faults Nemesis might have, being too close to the last film is not, I think, one of them.
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I think a common factor in all of this might be Berman and Braga - although I'm beginning to wonder if it's not the but the Viacom suits. When they combined with Paramount - things went gah gah.
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I *SAID* I'm beginning to think it's NOT them - but the Paramount/Viacom suits. *sheesh*.
ANYWAY - I think the MAIN problem is when it was released. It was a BAD move - just after Harry Potter, and just before the Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers...
CRAZY move.
They should have put it on around now, or in the next few weeks. It seems to be a slow movie-release time at the moment. It starts here on February 6 - so for once being behind might have its advantages.
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I believe this is a slow period for film releases because nobody goes to see movies right now. Action films start in late spring. Dramas need to be released in the fall and winter or else the Academy forgets they exist. Of course, I suppose one could argue that no one sees movies in the early part of the year because the only movies released are bog-awful, but this would seem to be a cycle of debate not easily resolved.
quote: I think a common factor in all of this might be Berman and Braga
Who, as I pointed out, are not a "common factor" any way you slice it. You can scan the Nemesis credits for Brannon Braga for hours, but you won't find him there.
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I think the thing is - that with Nemesis the 'semi-fans' didn't turn out to the movie because they were occupied with other movies like TTT and Harry Potter.
Nemesis NOW would have been the one shining light of action/adventure/space/sci-fi/trek-ness out at this time (well NEW out at this time).
Andrew
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quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: It was a BAD move
Or perhaps just a bad movie.
My own personal feelings about the flick aside, critics didn't like it and it didn't seem to get that great of word of mouth from the non hardcore trek fan populace. Given those factors, I don't think it would've done that great no matter when it was released. That being said, I do agree that they couldn't have released it at a worse time.
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Saltah'na
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I'm thinking that the later release will perhaps doom Nemesis to the gutter. After hearing of the tank drop over at the Americas, I wouldn't be surprised if the delayed-release theatres start abandoning this film in droves. Perhaps the odd one with about 20 people inside per showing and that's it.
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