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From imdb.com:
Star Trek: Termination?
Star Trek producer Rick Berman has acknowledged that following the failure of Star Trek: Nemesis, the future of the feature franchise is uncertain. "I don't think this is like falling off a horse, and you want to jump right back on it," he told Sci-Fi Wire, the news website of the Sci-Fi Channel. Asked what went wrong, Berman replied: "There's no way of telling what happened. ... I'm convinced that we made a very good movie, and I'm also convinced that the movie was promoted properly." Star Trek fans, apparently, are not nearly so mystified by what occurred. On the website, one Trekkie posted this message in response to Berman's remarks: "The huge plot holes, the inconsistencies within the story, the inconsistencies within the Trek framework, the lack of historical continuity within the series, the lack of logic or common sense in the writing and MUCH more led to this film alienating not only all of the fans I know but all of the intelligent non-fans I know, too. Folks, people were **laughing** during the screening I attended, and not at the 'funny parts.'"
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IMDb visited TrekWeb. Can we have a moment of silent prayer?
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quote:Asked what went wrong, Berman replied: "There's no way of telling what happened. ...
There's no way of telling, Rick? Either you do not own a computer, or you do not know what this thing called "the internet" is. Because if you did, it would be quite easy to find out "what happened" just by browsing a site such as this one.
-------------------- "A film made in 2008 isn't going to look like a TV series from 1966 if it wants to make any money. As long as the characters act the same way, and the spirit of the story remains the same then it's "real" Star Trek. Everything else is window dressing." -StCoop
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If one really cared what a tiny fractional minority of the viewing audience thought, sure. He could also randomly quiz passerby, or ask John Edwards. Each method would about as accurately reflect the attitudes of the movie going public.
Hint: I didn't like Nemesis. I didn't like it for reasons that are drastically different than the reasons, say, Roger Ebert didn't like it.
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To add my personal drop in the ocean of opinion, the reason I disliked Nemesis was mainly due to the over use of action sequences, by about the 5th one I just stopped caring. Seriously, shortly after watching Nemesis I purchased the TSFS on DVD and found myself liking the new film even less. Aside from the brief attack on the Merchantman early on in ST:III there is hardly any action until nearly half way through the film and what action there is, is rather minimalist and yet it managed to hold my undivided attention the whole way through, unlike Nemesis which barely managed 40 minutes before I started glancing at my watch. The same goes for most of the other TOS crew movies...to be fair though in the case of TMP that is actually a bad thing sincee there was no action to speak of at all.
Indeed I would have been much happier if Shinzon managed to suck Picard dry, destroy the Enterprise and turn the population of Earth into little piles of albino mouse droppings, at least that ending would have been original.
But to answer Berman's question, what REALLY went wrong was security. We had a readily available shooting script of the film ages before the film was released so all those who cared to look could see all the huge plot holes way ahead of time, not to mention it spoiled the "surprise ending". Mind you even that was copped out of in a far less ambiguous way than the famous ...Remember... thread.
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I can't imagine much more than 1% of all the people who saw (or, as the case may be, didn't see) Nemesis had any idea there was even such a script available.
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We may never know, but you're probably right all the same. Nevertheless it seams to have been well known amoung the various trek internet communities that the script was out and about (at least thats the impression I got) and ill news travels fast.
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Oh, I don't mean to discount the importance of internet word of mouth, I guess. I mean, someone is paying HARRY KNOWLES!!! bills, after all. Still.
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I'm sure I've heard that line every year for the past billion years.
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The one movie that heard me and the whole cinema laughing about its inconsistencies was "Mission Impossible" (part one, I never had the intention top watch the sequel). Logic, continuity etc. may well play a role, but I don't think that Nemesis was even that bad in this respect. Maybe for the next movie they should hire Tom Cruise?
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