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While I try not to think of anyone's penis except my own, we do know that Holo-Porn is a biiig seller: at least at Quarks. Remember "Vulcan Love Slave". ...it just strengthens my case that there must be automated cleaning services in Trek.
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As long as we don't see the Ronco Pocket Penis.
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I, for one, would be delighted to watch documentary episodes that explore the holodeck porn industry... y'know... if only to conduct a rigorous analysis on the shadier aspects of Utopian Society! Fascinating new insights abound!
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Please tell me there wasn't really a debate concerning the shape of the Vulcan organ. Anyway, I wouldn't expect it to be forked so much as rather pointy.
quote:On a more serious note, I think that most Star Trek's missed opportunities came from not giving us more development and more diversity within the alien species.
Interesting point. Certainly more diversity would have been a plus, specifically more non-humanoid alien characters. TOS tried with the rather unconvincing Horta and non-corporeal shimmering light things, but at least they tried. I thought species 8472 was a nice effort and a big leap for Trek. Given the prevalence of CGI these days, I'm surprised we haven't seen more of it.
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Of course, you have to take into account that 8472 required no creativity on anyone's part. They're the typical come-out-of-a-giant-hole-in-space-with-overwhelming-numbers-and-technology-talk-to-no-one-then-KILL-EVERYONE!!!! alien. Been there, done that, several times, never interesting.
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Well, yes, 8472 came off a bit like "Alien", but it was nice that they tried to do something other than the usual people in make up.
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Uh, while Alien was hardly the epitome of creativity, xenomorphs don't fall into Omega's SUPAR KILLAH!! category.
Still, Species 8472 had the dubious but grand honour of being the first (and last, save for the nameless Silent Enemy fishbowls) true aliens to appear in, erh, person. More non-humanoids = Good Thing, because the existence of gazillions of funky forehead races simply becomes less believable with every new incarnation.
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8472 started out with real possibilities....but the simulated Starfleet Academy really really blew that. In their first episode Kes describes them as purely hostile, but later they are misunderstood Ray Walston good guys! Ug. I wanted to see more allout from the brief alliance between Voyager and the Borg. Hell...if Seven had turned out to be a traitor then they'd really have an ongoing baddie!
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quote:Originally posted by Malnurtured Snay: No, the "missed opportunity" was in not securing the budget in TOS to get-up the actors in ridge-forehead makeup as Gene Coon originally wanted.
Actually, when John Colicos showed up to play Kor, no-one had any idea what makeup to use, so he suggested the Mongol look, and that's how Klingons came to look that way. Colicos mentioned this in an interview. The bumpy head thing (and later brow ridges for Romulans) came about because of new, higher budgets, and a desire to make a mark on the franchise. No legitimate reason or need existed.
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quote:Originally posted by Siegfried: On a more serious note, I think that most Star Trek's missed opportunities came from not giving us more development and more diversity within the alien species. A lot of the characters we see from these other races are usually cookie-cutter versions of others we've seen before. There's the occassion "bad boy" of the species (like Sybok, the Ferengi scientist, the Pagh-Wraithers, etc.), but I always feel there should have been more development than that.
Granted, it's probably likely most attempts to expand on the different races would either make the episodes feel like documentaries or otherwise unwatchable.
Other missed opportunities come from discarding characters: Saavik, David Marcus, Ilia, Decker, Xon. Changing Saavik to Valeris for ST:VI. We'd have cared more and had more character conflict if it had been Saavik, and it'd have surprised us more. A Saavik-clone from out of nowhere? Please, she had "throwaway character" written all over her.
In close to 40 years, Trek has let a lot of loose threads drop. The Conspiracy parasites, the change in Klingon culture 9not the bumpy head thing, but the shift from 1984/USSR/Mongol Empire to Vikings with pretensions of honor stuff. The Maquis melding with Voyager's crew. Brad Dourif's character, the serial killer on VGR. Just a few, but there are many, many more, if one cares to look.
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quote:Originally posted by Darkwing: Other missed opportunities come from discarding characters: Saavik, David Marcus, Ilia, Decker, Xon. Changing Saavik to Valeris for ST:VI. We'd have cared more and had more character conflict if it had been Saavik, and it'd have surprised us more. A Saavik-clone from out of nowhere? Please, she had "throwaway character" written all over her.
Unlike Xon?
David had to die, I think, to make ST III structurally sound. Spock died in ST II, but Kirk gained a son. Kirk could only get Spock back at the expense of his ship and son.
And did Ilia even have a character? Wasn't she just "attractive bald woman"?
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