quote:Originally posted by Harry: She probably would have turned into a Troi in what was supposed to be Star Trek II. Just like Riker is very similar to Decker.
The show bible for Phase II makes it very clear Ilia was intended to be the Troi type character of that show.
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Xon wasn't supposed to be a throwaway character, until Nimoy decided to come back as Spock after all. Even then, it could have been interesting to see what was made of him interacting with Spock and Kirk.
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: David had to die, I think, to make ST III structurally sound. Spock died in ST II, but Kirk gained a son. Kirk could only get Spock back at the expense of his ship and son.
Not disputing that, just saying that he was also a missed opportunity. More could have been made of his relationship, especially if he'd gone with Kirk, instead of Saavik. He could still have been killed by Kruge, although the logistics would have differed somewhat.
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: And did Ilia even have a character? Wasn't she just "attractive bald woman"?
Well, Decker's mother decided to become a New Human (one of those cults where everyone became part of a collective conciousness, like organic Borg, and he had acquired a bit of a taste for that himslef. Ilia's empathic abilities would normally overwhelm any human sexual partner, but the novel seemed to indicate some possibility of his childhood experience giving him a chance to survive that. If he and Ilia had not been sacrificed to V'ger, the character interaction and story possibilities might have been interesting to see.
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quote:Originally posted by Darkwing: Well, Decker's mother decided to become a New Human (one of those cults where everyone became part of a collective conciousness, like organic Borg, and he had acquired a bit of a taste for that himslef.
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poet: What what what what what what what what what?!
Read the TMP novelisation. For more about New Humans, read Triangle, by Marshak and Culbreath. After that, nothing. They make another missed opportunity - what would happen if the Borg assimilated a New Human?
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The entire Trek series from point A to point E is jam packed full of missed opportunities. We could sit here and talk about them until we are blue in the face (or other in places for that matter) but what would that really accomplish? Whats done is done.
The only truely do-able resurrection of 'missed opportunities' in the Star Trek universe that can and should be resolved is to let Shatner redo Star Trek V the way it ought to be done while he has the ambition to do it, long before he is dead and gone, along with his ideas.
The second thing is to fix the SFX in STV as well as reshoot and/or insert effects into TOS that could never be done back then. From there, create a TOS box set of DVDs at a more practical price with new effects than what is currently available (Currently: all 3 TOS seasons = $600 US = 6 TNG seasons = utter bullshit). It wont effect the stories any, and whatever else anyone wishes to whine about, but it sure the hell would give it some visual appeal, much like your mama does.
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I thought it was a compliment. Unless he has some sort of hatred towards attractive mothers.
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quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: The entire Trek series from point A to point E is jam packed full of missed opportunities. We could sit here and talk about them until we are blue in the face (or other in places for that matter) but what would that really accomplish? Whats done is done.
The only truely do-able resurrection of 'missed opportunities' in the Star Trek universe that can and should be resolved is to let Shatner redo Star Trek V the way it ought to be done while he has the ambition to do it, long before he is dead and gone, along with his ideas.
The second thing is to fix the SFX in STV as well as reshoot and/or insert effects into TOS that could never be done back then. From there, create a TOS box set of DVDs at a more practical price with new effects than what is currently available (Currently: all 3 TOS seasons = $600 US = 6 TNG seasons = utter bullshit). It wont effect the stories any, and whatever else anyone wishes to whine about, but it sure the hell would give it some visual appeal, much like your mama does.
Practically, these missed opportunities won't be addressed by Paramount, so nothing will be done officially. Unofficially, though, threads like this may spark story ideas - whether for fan-fiction, or for some bright young writer to submit to Pocket books, in the hope of getting published.
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quote:Originally posted by Topher: A perfect example being the Conspiracy aliens. They're in the DS9 relaunch series.
Actually, I wrote a script with the Conspiracy aliens and pitched it to my agent back when I pitched a few scripts to TNG. That's when she told me there was less liklihood of selling a script that re-used major elements from other episodes, because the show would have to pay the other writer.
My script was called "The Unseen", and the story concerned a Starfleet ship with a vulcan crew that had gone missing, and the Enterprise discovering it and eventually realizing the entire crew is controlled by yon Conspiracy creatures. The crux of the story was if they Enterprise crew should risk the lives of the vulcans in order to hopefully find out what these creatures were up to, or to maybe figure out where they had come from.
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