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I'm confused as to this hatred of "Face of the Enemy". But then I've seen people here say that The Motion Picture is better than Star Trek II, so obviously this is bizaro-rating world.
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quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Holy Jesus Fuck that was one of THE WORST episodes of TNG ever! Ever. I've seen viewmaster reels that were far more entertaining. [/qb]
Damn, Jason! Are there ANY TNG episodes that you actually don't hate...?
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quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Holy Jesus Fuck that was one of THE WORST episodes of TNG ever! Ever. I've seen viewmaster reels that were far more entertaining.
Wow! That really is quite a statement considering the number of lows in Star Trek: The Next Generation. The first season, IMO, for the most part is a total loss, can you say "Code of Honor" and "Angel One". Or how about the stinkeroo of stinkers, "Skin of Evil". Or how about the cheapo flashback episode "Shades of Gray".
"Face of the Enemy" is Shakespeare compared to those high points in Star Trek: The Next Generation.
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quote:Originally posted by Triton: My sympathies go out to you Captain Mike. I hope things will go better for you in the future and you will be much happier. I wish you the best.
Hey man, don't worry about me... my life is hilarious.. even with any aforementioned problems, its still warp cruising.. besides, i'm high and i have a girl in my lap
the Invasion info is interesting.. but -B registry suffix makes me kinda wary.. plus a novel has established the Sentinel as an Akira.. who to believe, who to believe
oh, and on "Face of the Enemy" : i never really hated that one so much.. kinda despised the hokey premise and the clich�d occurrences, but overall the ep gets better marks for the fact that i actualy enjoyed watching it.. but yeah, there are many episodes that have more solid foundations
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Yeah, enough with suffixes already in registry numbers. NCC-1305-E was a mistake, and I don't want to continue to keep track of version suffixes. Jackill took this to an extreme and it seems like every ship he had in Volume III has a -B suffix attached to the registry number.
Plus a Sovereign-class U.S.S. Sentinel? It makes more sense to have an Akira-class U.S.S. Sentinel than a Sovereign one. The name Sentinel does not conjur up images of exploration, it's clearly a warship name. Alas, too many scribes covering the same creative ground. There are hundreds of perfectly good names that would make excellent starship names. Everyone wants to focus on the ones that have been mentioned in dialogue but whose classes have not been established. Like the Musashi, last I heard she was an Ambassador-class.
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quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Holy Jesus Fuck that was one of THE WORST episodes of TNG ever! Ever. I've seen viewmaster reels that were far more entertaining.
Damn, Jason! Are there ANY TNG episodes that you actually don't hate...? [/QB]
Sure! LOTS of episodes! Data's day, The Wounded, BOBW (allthough Shelby gets a lobotomy and becomes nice in ptII), The Defector, Conspiracy, All Good Things, Redemption (both parts even!) Lots more that I can't recall immeadately too but there are certain critera that make a sucky episode to me: Alexander episodes Troi episodes Lwaxanna Troi episodes (untill DS9 anyway) Moriaty episodes Any episode where a crewmember mutates into anything. Any episode where a character is possesed by an alien for any reason. (trills incuded) These criteria DO of course eliinate many episodes.
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No. Those were horiffically bad after the initial watching (they were at best bland the first time around). You probably liked "The Royale" too? Same fucking thing really: another holodeck episode to fill gaps between better episodes.
Mabye I'm just biased that I'd ordered Voyager's Message in a bottle" and Suncoast got me "Ship in a bottle" instead.....I've never forgiven them for that. For the death of my boy...
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Why should "Ship in a bottle" be bad? I think it had the most intelligent plot of all the "holodeck failure" episodes. It showed us that holodeck and transporter are related technologies, but that "holomatter" has no substance. There were some ingenious plot twists too:
- Data and Picard are still in the holodeck without knowing, and Data only recognizes that because Holo-LaForge is using the wrong hand. - They create a "holodeck in the holodeck" to fool Moriarty. Okay, not very realistic, but pleasantly mind-boggling. - Finally, they transfer Moriarty to a small cube and provide him with enough adventures for the next years. A cute and very Trek-like solution.
Compare that to "Spirit Folk" :-(
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quote:Originally posted by Bernd: Compare that to "Spirit Folk" :-(
BELIEVE me whaen I say that i was not listing all of TNG's bad episodes (several of witch I can NOT watch again- or even have on while I do other things- I was just siting personal criteria for bad episodes. If an episode has several criteria in one massive dose of crapness I'll scramble for the remote like it was a live grenade. "Fistfull of Data's" foe example is an abyss: It's a Troi/Alexander/holodeck episode so dense that even the most rabid fanboy could have written far far better.
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quote:Originally posted by Bernd: Compare that to "Spirit Folk" :-(
BELIEVE me whaen I say that i was not listing all of TNG's bad episodes (several of witch I can NOT watch again- or even have on while I do other things- I was just siting personal criteria for bad episodes. If an episode has several criteria in one massive dose of crapness I'll scramble for the remote like it was a live grenade. "Fistfull of Data's" for example is an abyss: It's a Troi/Alexander/holodeck episode so dense that even the most rabid fanboy could have written far far better.
Oddly enough, many good episodes with these characters/ holodeck are great on other series, just not on TNG. "Mr Bashier I presume" was a great episode and it was all on the Holodeck...hell all the stuff with Vic was darn good too. But DS9 often made lemonaide from TNG's lemons. Lwaxanna was even cool on DS9 and that's really saying a LOT.
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There are hundreds of perfectly good names that would make excellent starship names. Everyone wants to focus on the ones that have been mentioned in dialogue but whose classes have not been established. Like the Musashi, last I heard she was an Ambassador-class.
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