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Yeah, but look at it from Starfleet's POV. "Um, you let a Cardassian spy with lots of know-it-all about Dominion troop deployments get killed. Ok, great, you saved her life, but, gee golly, we might've been able to end the war a heck of a lot sooner. You chose the good of your wife over the good of millions of Federation citizens."
I'm not faulting Worf for his actions, I'm just saying Starfleet's position isn't exactly being unreasonable either.
quote:Originally posted by Kazeite: OK, so we know that books aren't canon unless made canon (like Jeri Taylor books).
Except they aren't anymore. Sorry.
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No. It's been pretty much since Taylor left Voyager and they started to contradict them in the show.
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The Taylor written books had a special "almost canon" quality to them because they were written by someone who was an executive producer at the time, as well as being an active particpant on the writing team. So she had the power to make them canon. After she left, the staff were under no obligation to continue to pay attention to the books, and so they didn't.
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Not that Starfleet gives a shit about Duras. NOt like it hurt relations with the Empire any.
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Wasn't that. Watch the episode. Worf was acting in a manner inappropriate for a Starfleet officer when he went vigilante and killed a member of the Klingon High Council on his own ship.
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And, of course, he also conducted that little "murder brother to save family honor" ritual...
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Yeah, but the difference is that Kurn wasn't on the High Council anymore when Worf assisted in the suicide. On the other hand, not only was Duras on the High Council, he had a good shot at becoming Chancellor. It'd be like aliens coming to Earth and assassinating a presidential candidate. That can't really be good.
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Given that recent Trek producers are contradicting their own work, I think that fact that they contradicted Jery Taylor books couple of times hardly makes them non-canon
Anyway, this is hardly relevant to the tales of Worf
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It's not that. It's just that, well, there's no reason for them to be considered canon at all. They were only originally that because Taylor said so. And she has no power now, so it becomes moot.
quote:Originally posted by Peregrinus: Wasn't that. Watch the episode. Worf was acting in a manner inappropriate for a Starfleet officer when he went vigilante and killed a member of the Klingon High Council on his own ship.
You mean like when Dax went and killed that Albino (or whatever) during Blood Oath? At least Worf was acting within the bounds of his culture.
And what about when Riker went against a planetary government simply because he fancied the local lady-boy?
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Worf was acting in a manner inappropriate for a Starfleet officer when he went vigilante and killed a member of the Klingon High Council on his own ship.
Accurate, but I somehow doubt it'll matter THAT much, so long as it had no lasting negative consequences.
It'd be like aliens coming to Earth and assassinating a presidential candidate.
I don't think that's a valid analogy. Worf was well within his rights as a Klingon. Starfleet was the only entity that really cared, and they obviously not much.
As for canon, in my capacity as pragmatism incarnate I think that perhaps canon should be defined as whatever the writers are required to remain consistant with. Basically, how far can the writers go without someone in-house saying "Hey, we can't do that"?
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I'd tend to go with that. And I can't see too many people being bothered if they violate the Taylor books. I mean, how many people have read them compared to who watch the show?
Omega is right there, too. Word WAS in his rights as a Klingon. Starfleet's attitde towards non-human races' rights is a bit haphazard (and slightly racist to boot). Riker wouldn't let Ro wear her earing initially, even though Worf could wear his sash. Kirk wasn't allowed to retrieve Spock's body, because an admiral didn't understand "vulcan mysticism" (and these are Vulcans. One of the most important races in the Federation).
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