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I also can't believe I'm getting involved in this...
quote:Originally posted by MarianLH: And as for ENT, one of the top ten reasons I hate that show with such unrelenting passion is the way it's fucking up Star Trek's history. I could care diddly about what any ENT episode says about anything.
Sooooo, you hate the show because it's fucking up Trek history, except that it isn't actually fucking up the history at all. As pointed out, there was no "original story" about first contact with the Klingons occuring in 2218. There was conjecture in a book. A book only read by people concerned about "canon". If you don't care about canon, why do you care about what that book says in the first place?
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"Fucking up Trek history" was a commentary on ENT in general, not the Klingon business in particular. Because of which, any specific data from the show does not move me. Clear now?
And as for the Chronology being a book only for people concerned about canon, where did you get that idea? When I bought it (1993), the concept of canon didn't even exist yet. Or if it did, it hadn't yet troubled my neck of the fandom woods. It certainly had no bearing on my decision to buy it.
I don't take all of the stuff in the Chronology as gospel--I don't take all of anything as gospel. But it'll do unless something better comes along. IMHO, ENT does not constitute "something better."
I don't get why this is such a big deal, either. Back in the old days, people didn't think twice about Star Trek V "not counting." Not everyone agreed that it shouldn't count, but nobody, I mean nobody, was arguing that everyone had to accept the film, whether they liked it or not, just because Paramount had made it.
I don't accept ENT as a genuine part of the Star Trek universe, and I never will. No one seems to be under the impression that I'm forcing this view on anyone else (right?), or arguing that it's the only right one, so where is the fucking problem? Why can't you just acknowledge the first sentence of this paragraph, agree to disagree, and move the fuck on? Why do you have to prosletize? Why does someone have to be "right?" I feel like I'm being stoned for heresy at the edge of the village.
My last post on page 4 is the best and most complete statement I can make on the subject. Read it again, because I'm offically making it my last word on the subject.
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I think UM is on massive doses of some sort of drug. Or needs to be.
Marian: That's just the way the cookie crumbles. It's the way the franchise is set up. All of the series and films, collectively, represent the valid and "actual" depiction of the Star Trek universe. The novels, games, comics, records, etc., do not. It's a basic governing principle, like gravity. The rules are set by the folks who own Trek and all its related characters, marks, and indicia. Not by the fans.
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quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: Hell, a small fleet of Klingon vessels even invaded the Sol system and engaged a small fleet of Starfleet vessels!
..or the one vessel that invaded the Sol system.
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Well, to be fair, there's only one vessel anywhere near the Sol system during any given emergency so what can you do?
The two ships on Enterprise that blew Duras to hell represent one of the best onscreen defences Starfleet ever employed to protect Earth.
Certainly better than those flying submarines from BOBW.
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Endgame.
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Well, maybe the Dominion War and the associated trashing of San Francisco finally made them wise up to the proper defence of Earth. The twenty-odd starships present in "Endgame" is pretty good by anyone's standards, and that was the first decent direct threat to Earth we'd seen since First Contact (which doesn't count as true Earth Defences since they had advance warning and met the threat several sectors away; likewise the squadron mentioned in the Tac display in Nemesis).
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: ...or the one vessel that invaded the Sol system.
Dirty, dirty Simon.
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