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Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim:
TWOK probably takes place in 2283, because IIRC the intention of the production staff was to have that be Kirk's 50th birthday at the beginning. Furthermore, that matches better with the continuous "15 years" references to how long after the original "Space Seed" the film occurred.
-MMoM

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Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim:
Correct. 2283 is the earliest the film could occur based solely on internal references.

Futurama Guy, that line (from the script, the sickbay scene with Kirk, Scotty, and McCoy after Preston's death) was changed to "15 years" in the film. (That scene is in the Director's Edition/ABC edit.)

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• Kirk's 5-year mission ran from 2265 to 2270.
  Icheb mentioned in "Q2" (VGR) that the mission ended in 2270.
• The 24th century sequences of Star Trek Generations occur in 2371.
  Seven years after TNG's first season, stated in "Conspiracy" (TNG) to have taken place in 2364.
• More specific dates take precedence over less specific ones.
  You'll see how this comes into play.

• Star Trek: The Motion Picture
  18 months (2.5 years) after the end of the 5-year mission.

• The Okudas conjecture that Kirk commanded a second 5-year mission following TMP, based on the fact that the film was originally to serve as a pilot for the Star Trek: Phase II television series. There is no canonical reference which confirms or refutes this, but if it did occur then Kirk's retirement would most likely follow it.

• At some point within this range, Kirk retires from Starfleet.

• Kirk meets Antonia near his uncle's farm in Idaho on Earth. The two will fall in love.
  Eleven years prior to the launch of the Enterprise-B (2293) as stated in GEN.

• A bottle of Romulan Ale, which Dr. Leonard McCoy will eventually give to Kirk for his birthday, is vinted.
  Vintage was read off the bottle in TWOK.

• Kirk returns to Starfleet, joining the staff at the Academy.
  Nine years prior to the launch of the Enterprise-B (2293) as stated in GEN. We know he became Academy staff from TWOK. As you can see, we're already past either of the two "alternative" dates for TWOK. Looks like the GEN writers were looking at their copy of the Chronology when they dropped in Kirk's references. More's the pity, considering that the date the Okudas had for TWOK wasn't supported by anything prior to said references.

• Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
  This is the "official" date, but it admittedly *could* have taken place near the end of 2284, although that makes the spacing of the dates for the next three films even more unlikely. 2285 allows time for Kirk to become established Academy faculty, etc., anyway. But it does stretch all the "15 year" references to actually mean 18 years, if we accept that "Space Seed" (TOS) occurred in 2267, which we should, since it was in the second half of TOS's first season. Perhaps Kirk thinks of the 5-year mission not in terms of the individual years it comprised, but simply as one block of time which ended 15 years earlier, in 2270.
• Star Trek III: The Search For Spock
  We don't know exactly how much time passed between these two films, but it was enough time for Saavik and David to transfer to the Grissom and for most of the battle damage sustained in TWOK to be repaired. As mentioned by another poster, the second digit of the stardate changed between films, but the same change occurs with each successive film, so unless you want to say there is a full year between III and IV, and similarly between IV and V, I don't recommend placing much significance on this. Besides, the stardates aren't consistent between films. (Witness Carol Marcus' Genesis report having been made a year before TWOK but with a stardate lower than that of TMP or the Enterprise flight recorder giving a stardate for Spock's death lower than the one stated at the beginning of TWOK.) Face it people, stardates do not make sense.

• Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
  Again, the official date, supported by Gillian's statement that she had "300 years of catch-up learning to do" following their return from 1986. Needless to say, that's not a particularly specific figure, but 2286 works if TWOK and TSFS were both in 2285, since the most specific placement we can give TVH is three months after TSFS, as stated by Kirk's opening log.

• Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
  Of any of the "official" dates, this one is probably the most arguable. Some have argued that it actually takes place only three weeks after TVH, given Kirk's line to Scotty when they come aboard that he had given Scotty that amount of time to get the ship fixed up. But we don�t know how long it took the ship�s flaws to present themselves after they flew off at the end of TVH, anymore than we know where exactly they were flying off to.

• Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
  27 years after McCoy became ship�s surgeon aboard the original NCC-1701, in 2266. Whether by coincidence or design, this also fits nicely with Geordi having said in "Reunion" (TNG) that the Klingons and Romulans had become enemies circa 2292, explaining the willingness of the Romulan government to destabilize the Klingon government in the film.
• Star Trek Generations (23rd century events)
  78 years prior to the 24th century events of the film.

Yeah, sorry I took so long with that. Been a busy day.

-MMoM

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Originally posted by Bond, James Bond:
The first five year mission was from 2264-2269.

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Originally posted by Bond, James Bond:
^^^ 18 months is only a year and a half by the way, not two and a half years.

18 months was the period of time Scotty had been refitting the Enterprise while 2 & 1/2 years was the length of time that Kirk had "not logged a single star hour".

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The first five year mission was from 2264-2269.

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If they returned home in 2269, Kirk was promoted to Admiral, the Enterprise sat in drydock for a year (or was an Academy training vessel or was under the command of someone else, etc.) before they started working on it in 2270, and TMP took place in 2271 then all the quotes from the movie would make sense, no offense to Icheb's research skills.

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Stardates are hardly reliable but there is one overheard in TMP.

One of the barely-audible messages at the Epsilon 9 station mentions a rendezvous between two Federation ships to take place on stardate 7411.4. If you listen carefully it is also possible to make out the ships' names and registry numbers -- scout Columbia NCC-621 and scout Revere NCC-595.

Now it could be a rendezvous scheduled for much later I suppose but I think that gives a pretty good ballpark figure for TMP's date. That stardate corresponds with late 2271.

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Oh it does, does it? And pray tell how you arrived at that conclusion? I'm sure it was a perfectly logical process, considering that Carol Marcus' Genesis report was star-dated 7130.4. I'm sure your same logical system will explain how that date "corresponds" to 2284.

-MMoM

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Originally posted by Bond, James Bond:
Stardates are hardly reliable but there is one overheard in TMP.

One of the barely-audible messages at the Epsilon 9 station mentions a rendezvous between two Federation ships to take place on stardate 7411.4. If you listen carefully it is also possible to make out the ships' names and registry numbers -- scout Columbia NCC-621 and scout Revere NCC-595.

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Originally posted by MirrorCaptainMike:
Of course, I am branded a lughing madman when I bring up advanced concepts such as the fact that the mission could have begun in November 2264 and ended in January 2270, and lasted 5 years and two months, because of travel time and scheduling.

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