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jh
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Signed by Trek fans that said they would rather have several years without Trek than a new series that was horribly opposite everything we expect from Trek? If so should we try it?

Personally they're starting to disgust me and if they think that they can just force feed us anything then maybe it's worth a try.

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How about: "Dear Paramount. None of us have had a good word for the pap you've been putting out for quite a few years, but we've been watching it anyway. Now we'd like you to stop, pretty please, although we'll still watch it if you ignore this letter, no matter how crap it is."
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I think Star Trek does need a break. It won't die if it rests for a few years. Even if the kept the movies and syndicated reruns going, that would make people happy. The producers and writers need to forget their politics, take a few years rest and then they or someone else can come back with a fresh, new idea. Star Trek is a good show, but the stories are not that good anymore. There are good ones, but not as many as there used to be. It has been going good episode, two bad, good, three bad, etc. It used to be five good, one bad, four good, one bad, etc. Star Trek needs to recapture what it had in the early 1990's without copying ST:TNG.

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Epoch
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I feel that Star Trek needs a break. Just look at the span from TOS to TNG and people still liked it. A span would not hurt Star Trek one bit. They could put out the next movie in the next couple of years and then a year or two after that start a new series.

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Aban Rune
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I don't necessarily think a break would be bad either. It's just that are so many good stories left in the Trek Universe to be touched on. They just need to find a way to get there.

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Omega
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I still think that for Trek to work, someone has to be at the helm that shares Gene's dream, and the only person I can think of that fits the bill is Majel.

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AndrewR
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I agree there ARE still good episodes being made, but not at the same rate as they used to.

I think we need several years of television trek rest.

There are 178 TNG, 178 DS9 79 TOS and 125 VOY + 22 TAS episodes...

that is

600 episodes of star trek + 9 movies

that is A LOT of trek!!!!!!!!!!!

how many people here can put their hand up and say I have seen EVERY single trek episode... TWICE!?!

I used to watch TNG a few times...

DS9 is my favourite - but I haven't had time to see every episode twice... let alone Voyager

I have seen EVERY TNG, EVERY DS9 (except the last 6 yet to be shown here) and ALL the Voyagers so far.

I have seen 4 TAS (which I must admit are VERY good)

and about 30 TOS... (hey my video store hasn't got them in TV doesn't show them here and I'm already buying 2-3 videos a month.)

Also I watch B5 - I've seen them all... add another 112

episodes thats over 700. + 13 Crusade. + 60 Stargate SG1...

Thats getting close to 800 episodes people... of sci-fi alone.

too much... too much.

Oh oh add another 60 Buffy episodes...

sheesh...

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Elim Garak
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I must admit there are a couple DS9s and even fewer TOS episodes I've not seen (but if I have seen one, I've seen it at least twice), but I'm not going to pay umpteen more dollars per month just to get TAS (of which I saw a couple episodes which were rather turn-off-ish).

A break could work, but a breath of fresh air could also be more than sufficient.

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A break wouldn't hurt Star Trek. Just look at Star Wars or the Brady Bunch. Star Wars took a 15+ year break and it was a success (sort of), and a Brady Bunch movie is coming out on ABC soon.

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Obi Juan
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I don't think Trek is anywhere near exausting the episode possiblities- but they are just running a little low on fuel for now. Taking a breather not only allows the new creative team to come at trek with a fresh perspective, but it also opens up story ideas that creators just wouldn't have come up with or that wouldn't have worked before. TNG wasn't limited storywise by TOS at all (although this isn't the impression one gets from the first two seasons). It was a whole new era in real time as well as trek and that offered a whole new gamut of plot possibities to exploit. One trek constant from the very beginning no matter who is at the helm, is that it is a metaphor for the world around us....they haven't run out of stories of the future, it's the issues of the present that have been depleted.


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I think that Star Trek is, to be wordy, full of infinite possibilities. Can those possibilities be realized? We'll see.

But to answer the original question, no, Paramount wouldn't care about a petition. No one would ever be able to get enough people. But a petition isn't necessary. One votes with a remote control.

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Paris: I think the Brady Bunch movie had been made already -- IIRC, it starred Gary Cole of American Gothic and some B5 spinoff which I couldn't be bothered watching.
Totally off topic, I know.

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Dax
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This might annoy some of you but I personally blame the Voyager series for Trek's current predicament. VOY SUX! Sorry, but it just had to be said.

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Sol: Don't you think that voting with the remote is just going to be voting for the end of Trek, and not just it's 'hibernation'?

It just seems, and I know I'm being hopeful, that we need to find a way of convincing Paramount that we'll still be fans if they give it four or five years of rest, but that we might not be if they give us something just to call it Trek. I think that they think the visibility of Trek will be lost, and you know how fickle the average viewer is, but what they seem to forget is that the original Trek was gone for twenty years with only reruns (and only of 60+ episodes for cryin' out loud!) and a few movies to keep it going and yet when they brought it back it was stronger than ever.

So do you think that a petition might serve to remind them of the history of Trek and tell them we're not going anywhere? Let's face it, they don't have the best memory (any continuity person can attest to that).

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Come on, Paramount doesn't give a sh*t about what we true fans want. All they're gonna do is make as much cash as possible and then dump Trek for good.

Well I say stop it right after VOY has ended and let it rest for a while. I don't want a fifth serie which will probably be worst than VOY (which would be hard but not impossible). I'd prefer they killed the license before making more cr*p. Let it keep the last bit of dignity it still has.

It's true that we'd need someone who shared Gene's vision to make a successful serie. Majel would be perfect for that. Of course, I'm not saying we should completely go for optimism (after all, DS9 was a very good Trek despite the fact it didn't really follow Gene's vision) but it would be a nice change of pace.

As for a good idea for the fifth serie, I think they should go for a serie further along in the future. There just isn't anything interesting to tell anymore with today's Trek and a serie about the birth of the Federation would surely include a completely changed history (trust Braga to do just that) and the return of TOS like costume, props and the like (well, they wouldn't have to but if the wanted some CONTINUITY, they'd have to).

Well, enough ranting. In short, put Trek to sleep for a while and let it regain some strength.

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