Shik
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I was at work & tooks a good hard look at T'Pol's uni on the cover of TV Guide. She actaully has some sort of Vulcan rank pip on her left collar (HER left, the viewer's right) that almost blends in with the pattern of the outfit. It's a nice Vulcanesque "splatterscript" look to it & very cool that, like Kira, she's not being forced into wearing Starfleet rank.
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quote:she's not being forced into wearing Starfleet rank.
Yes, the script makes that very clear:
quote:CHARLIE Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you just kind of an "observer" on this mission? I don't remember anyone telling me you were a member of Starfleet.
T'POL My Vulcan rank supersedes yours.
CHARLIE Apples and oranges. This is an Earth vessel. You're in no position to take command.
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quote:I was at work & tooks a good hard look at T'Pol's uni on the cover of TV Guide.
Shik, please tell me that the rank pips weren't the ONLY thing you noticed about her uniform...
Actually, when I saw your thread title, I thought you were going to discuss the Starfleet rank pips. Does anyone else find it odd that the Enterprise's crew wears the exact type of rank pips as the TNG era? Especially since after ENTERPRISE and before TNG, the pips disappear in favor of sleeve rank braids in TOS?
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Shik
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Yeah, actually. I noticed that the fabric pattern of the uni looks an awful lot like a rug I put away.
Stripes would've been cool-ish. If they did stipes, they should've been on the shoulders like today's enlisted grades. But then everyone would be all "WTF??"
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Shik
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Yeah, actually. I noticed that the fabric pattern of the uni looks an awful lot like a rug I put away.
Stripes would've been cool-ish. If they did stipes, they should've been on the shoulders like today's enlisted grades. But then everyone would be all "WTF??"
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I was expecting something a bit more creative in terms of the rank system than taking the TNG pips and turning them into silver rectangles. And, of course, I do have a theory about this.
The rank system we're familiar with from the TNG era could be an Earth tradition. When the Federation is formed and the Federation Starfleet comes into existence, all of the founding members provide input into the organization. Perhaps the Andorians, Tellarites, or Alpha Centaurians proposed the strip rank and the uniform look while Earth provided the department breakdown and color scheme. Eventually, someone else got the chance to do the TOS movie era through Pre-TNG ranks, and then Earth got custody of the Uniform Control Division. This may also explain why there have been three different uniforms in 14 years.
On a similar note, is Dr. Phlox in Starfleet? Of everything I've seen for Enterprise, only once has he been wearing something resembling a Starfleet uniform (namely, one of the promos where his back is to us and he's with Tucker). Then, it's only certain he's wearing a field jacket. Everything else has him in this light-colored jumpsuit.
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Since it's still just an Earth organization, I doubt Phlox is in Starfleet.
I too would have prferred to see something different as far as rank insignia goes. Maybe some kind of shoulder stripes or something. Something that hints more at TOS than it does at TNG.
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Or, perhaps, the TNG/DS9/VOY rank system was instituted as a tribute to the original ranking system? Just a thought ...
Frankly, yes, I'd like to see not stripes (except on dress uniforms), but the rank pins the Navy uses for it's khaki uniforms ... in other words, the TOS movie emblems.
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Or, perhaps, the TNG/DS9/VOY rank system was instituted as a tribute to the original ranking system? Just a thought ...
Frankly, yes, I'd like to see not stripes (except on dress uniforms), but the rank pins the Navy uses for it's khaki uniforms ... in other words, the TOS movie emblems.
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I would prefer stripes too, but Starfleet uniforms and accessories have changed back and forth on a number of occassions so I don't think the rank pips are a problem, just another example of such things being introduced, being phased out in favour of another method, then reintroduced, etc.
Also, does anyone one precisely what species Dr Phlox is? Has it not come out yet, or has this entirely passed me by?
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quote:IMO those two rank pin sets are totally different.
Yes, I'm aware of that -- I meant that the pins would be more in place for a newly space-faring navy then stripes (except on dress uniforms) or the TNG pips.
quote: I would prefer stripes too, but Starfleet uniforms and accessories have changed back and forth on a number of occassions so I don't think the rank pips are a problem, just another example of such things being introduced, being phased out in favour of another method, then reintroduced, etc.
Thats not a bad point, but the ever growning pile of it switched backisms is big enough. Why does everything have to be like the damn TNG era? Don't they have any creativity left in them at all? Don't like TOS? Fine then have it be completely different from both shows.
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