I've noticed that a � pip is usually referred to as crewman or a non-commissioned officer.
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The enlisted rates probably follow the USN's current ones, to a degree.
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O'Brian was a chief petty officer. It was a small pin type thing with 3 delta lines and some dots IIRC. And there is the one hollow pip Chief Warrant Officer that was used some.
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O'Brien's insignia had three chevrons and two dots. I think it was the only one of its type we really saw, but the theory goes that there might be other ones as follows:
one chevron: petty officer, third class two chevrons: petty officer, second class three chevrons: petty officer, first clas three chevrons, one dot: chief petty officer three chevrons, two dots: senior chief petty officer three chevrons, three dots: master chief petty officer
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There are numerous fan websites with illustrations of the ranks used for the Next Generation era. A good one can be found here. Ranks for the Classic Movie uniforms can be found at this site, but they are inaccurate. A superbly crafted web reference for ranks, uniforms, and decorations featured on Original Series and Movie uniforms can be found at Fitz' Starfleet Uniform Page which Fitz constructed in response to an earlier thread in this forum. The references on his site are as complete as you will find anywhere, and best of all they are ACCURATE. He plans to add information on The Motion Picture uniforms soon.
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Oh yeah, also on the link that says "Here" in Savar's post has a light blue color for Medical/counseling and a darker blue for Science. I've never heard of that. Also, it has a greyish color for Intelligence, can anyone confirm this?
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Yeah, during TNG's later days two distinct yellows and two distinct blues were used. The more greyish blue-blue (how's that for vague?) seemed to be used by Science (and by Troi, actually, which throws that counselling thing into question), while the more tealish blue color was worn by Bev. And Worf's security-yellow was a bit brighter than Geordi and Data's ops/engineering yellow, which had a bit more of a muted tone to it.
The DS9/Voyager jumpsuits seemed to abandon this and got back to only three colours.
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Presumably, the reason for the color differences was simply the fading of the original colors in laundry. Since the uniforms were form-fitting for the respective actors, and some actors saw more location shooting or jeffires tube crawling than others, one would only expect the colors to fade at differing rates.
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While your theory holds water, Timo, I still think the color differences were consistent enough to warrant different cloth altogether. For example: Troi & Crusher, Worf & Data
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Respectfully, I see no color difference in those uniform comparisons. Worf is just sitting in front of a light so his uniform looks brighter.
There has never been a character called Commodore in the TNG era, certainly never one who wore 3 1/2 pips. Besides, commodore would rank above captain, therefore it would have to be more than 4 pips. I believe, though, that a commodore is a position rather than a rank. It's a captain who is charge of a number of ships (at least in the USN). Picard served as a commodore during Unification's blockade.
O'Brien's 1/2 pip in the early seasons of DS9 was simply the ranking system they were using at the time. When it changed to the more elaborate thing, I think it was just the producers' way of showing something new with O'Brien. Everybody else was getting promoted and they wanted to do something with him too. I think it was probably just a new insignia system.
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