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First of Two
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FYI:

The Q Books I was referring to were the trilogy by Greg Cox, with the 'origin stories' of Redjac and the 'Day of the Dove' creature and 'God' from Star Trek V, not the various books by Peter David.

Still, Peter wrote some pretty good Incredible Hulk, including the classic "Future Imperfect" scenario, which was great JUST for Rick Jone's Hall of Dead Heroes.

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Peregrinus
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I like how he had Rom and Brandy at Rick's wedding.

--Jonah

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Wes
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In klingon biology, the ridges are actually an exstention of the spine that wraps around the head.

Kahless has spines and he was way before Kirk's time.

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Malnurtured Snay
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But have you read Howling Mad? Now that's a brilliant book!

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Even if I knew where you got that, which I don't, so I'll ask, it still doesn't clear up anything about the Skinhead Klingons.

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AndrewR
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I have a theory... and I've posted it to usenet a few times, but no one seems to respond... and it explains away Kang, Kor and Koloth, also Kahless (clone) and the conflict from his TOS appearance... and the Romulan brow... AND why the Klingons don't talk about it.

And why the ridges were not as prominent in TMP, and slowly became more prominent through the movies... big ole lumps in TNG...

Does anyone want to here it?

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Sure. Fire away.

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PsyLiam
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Is it that the ridges were always there, but the cameras of the 60s were so crap we couldn't make them out?

Thus, as TV (and film) camera tecnology improved, we begun to notice previously hidden details.

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Nim
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Naah. They just wanted to separate them from the other races back in the 80's, and forgot about continuity.
Worf's "explanation" in Tribbleations was obviously a "stalling for time" as they try and figure out some way to hide their mistake and invent a justification.

The old klingons didn't even have their big knives and bat'leths back then, it was probably also a part of the klingon cultural "upgrade" then. I don't even remember any bat'leths in ST:VI, let alone that corny salute gesture the klingon captain made in ST:V to Kirk.
That's another thing, making the bat'leth a traditional klingon weapon dating back to Kahless. Talk about making up as you go...

Oh, and why is there a spelling of the klingon sword called "Bat'telth" or similar? It sounds so illogical, totally different word.

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Masao
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In an anthropology class once I heard about a theory for why gorillas and chimps have big jaws and brow ridges and why humans have large faces. According to this theory, humans more closely resemble juvenile apes than adult apes. Somehow, juvenile ape/human ancestors acquired the ability to reproduce and remain at a juvenile stage with juvenile characteristics. Something similar is believed to occur in the evolution of amphibians, IIRC.

This may tie in with the idea that smooth Klingons somehow derived from a juvenile stage of mature ridged Klingons or that ridge development was somehow arrested in childhood.

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Wes
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I got it from a comic book actually, completely uncanon, but it makes sense.

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Remember Klingon society is dominated by 'families' They own seats on the council, many ships and much land...

If we didn't see many Batleths back in the movie times or even TOS, doesn't mean they weren't used... it could have been the weapon of choice at the time. Or some families didn't bother with the Batleths instead stuck with swords - like Kang in TOS... the Klingon that got stabbed by Laas in season 7 DS9 had a 'sword'. Remember Worf began to prefer the Mekleth over the Batleth.

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Duras' weapon of choice in Reunion was a sword.

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Because if we are to believe DS9, the Bat'leth has been the mainstay ceremony- and battlesword since Kahless built his.

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Yeah, so - that doesn't mean we would have had to have seen ANY Batleths during TOS, the movies or early TNG...

All we basically saw were 'Soldier Klingons'... some had knives, some had swords... Batleths could have remained a purely ceremonial weapon until its resurgence in popularity during the Federation year 2366!?!

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Homer: I'm gonna miss Springfield. This town's been awfully good to us.
Bart: No, it hasn't, Dad. That's why we're leaving.
Homer: Oh, yeah. [pokes his head out the window] So long, Stinktown!

[This message has been edited by AndrewR (edited March 31, 2001).]


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