quote:I know the 2nd (yes, I mean 2nd) ed. of the Encyclopaedia has Movie-era NCO rank pins. How 'canon' are they, though? Have they been seen on screen or are they figment's of Drexler's imagination?
quote:That chevron thing is listed in the Encyclopedia as the rank for Chief of Operations. A single half pip is listed as Chief Warrant Officer.
Well as we all know the Encyclopedia isn't always right, and in my opinion it definitely isn't right in this case. Throughout DS9 it was made pretty clear that Chief of Operations was a position not a rank. In addition, O�Brien was stated on at least one occasion to be a Chief Petty Officer.
Also note that the chief in Valiant wore the same insignia as O�Brien.
As for Chief Warrant Officer, I am pretty sure that there has been no canonical mention of them, though I do believe that a single half pip is a good insignia for them (if they do exist).
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And why do I seem to remember Kozinski wearing a square pip? Specialst rating? Maybe, but unlikely. Civilian advisor from the reserves? Perhaps, but then why was Kyle Riker "out of uniform?"
Hmm.
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The square pin could have been the insignia for a CWO at the time (later changing to a half pip).
Did any of TPTB ever mention what the square pip was supposed to symbolize?
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The Kozinski incedent was an example of early series flub-ups. Basically they hadn't defined what the com badge or the rank insignia meant. They probably put a square on him and left off the com badge to indicate that he wasn't a Starfeet officer. I doubt they put a whole lot more thought into it than that.
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I sit corrected, thank you. Hee hee...and I like that "pip" "squeak" thing! Although I do have one question. The 1st and 2nd Class Petty Officer rank pins are so similar, how are you supposed to tell them apart at a glance?
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The Encyclopedia is definitely wrong about the pip on O'Brien's collar in Deep Space Nine. In the episode where Bashir and O'Brien land on the planet with Jem'Hadar soldiers trying to get unaddicted from Ketracel White, the First looks at O'Brien's collar and is able to tell that he is a Chief Petty Officer.
As for the square pips, I seem to recall seeing those a lot in the first season of TNG. In fact, I think the first Chief Engineer (Argyle?) wore square pips on his collar the couple times we saw him. Maybe the square pips were originally intended to be some sort of special engineering identifier?
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For clarification, The Encyclopedia Updated and Expanded Edition (aka Encyclopedia 2) has the flubbed movie rank pins. This was pointed out, and when Pocket tacked on the extra pages for current edition, they went back and changed that one page and so it's apparently correct now.
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NCO ranks seen in the movies? Yes I think one was. Star Trek VI (6), when the Klingons were beamed back to their ship after dinner, the transporter operator was an NCO and if I remember correctly, he has some sort of rank insignia resembling those shown in the Encyclopedia above the band on his left sleeve.
I don't have a clear picture of it though, can someone confirm/deny this please?
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There is another (more recent) freak-rank designation: four full pips with a horizontal line under it. It was worn by Deputy Director(rank/grade or position?) Luther Sloan of Internal Affairs in the first S31 episode. So, what exactly does the bar depict? Is it solely for Internal Affairs/Intel? Is there anything like that in the U.S. Navy? Sloan's rank
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