Note that some people here already say that the Fed and various empire space is too small. (The Fed has something like 8,000 light years in area). Yet there are others who contradict themselves by saying that you need transwarp to surmount the distances viewed. If empires or the Federation were any bigger, you would need transwarp just to effectively govern the area. And yet if you wish to reconcile the views, everything has to be roughly lumped into a small slice of the galaxy---the Cardassian U, the Klingon Empire, Romulan Empire, Fed---and the end result will make them all look like small minor players fighting for a tiny pie of the galaxy instead of the fate of two whole galactic quadrants (to totally de-epic the scale of the setting).

1. Yeah, that map is the biggest, piece of crap.

2. I mean a quick search on the net would find our endless hours of discussion on this subject.

3. That is criminal to replace the Dominion Logo

4. It's not "The Jem'Hadar" it's "The Dominion"

4. It's not the "Dominon Alliance" nor the "Federation Alliance"

5. Minor pick - that's the TOS version of the Klingon Empire Logo. MOVIES/TNG onwards it's red.

6. It's just the Klingon Empire

7. Yes, too much space, too spread out, relative sizes just wrong.

8. The whole problem with these maps is having 'boarders' and '2 dimensions' - my recent rough maps have been depiciting the areas as totally intermingled - to a point - mainly with the Klingons and Romulans with their many border wars... and lots of wholes - cause I don't reckon that interstellar space would be easy to claim if there are only one or two systems near by... I believe that if there was like a group of 9 systems, then it would much easier to say 'hey everything between these worlds is Federation space' So many more gaps and wholes are needed in maps as you get further out from 'core worlds'

9. The show the Starfleet symbol instead of The Federation logo.

10. Just for the record

The United Federation of Planets
The Klingon Empire
The Romulan Star Empire
The Cardassian Union
The Ferengi Alliance
The Tholian Assembly
The Sheliak Corporate
The Dominion
The Borg Collective or just (the Borg are here stay the fuck away)

The Gorn (Hegemony)*not official*

11. Idran is not that far away from Dominion Space

12. Re The centre of the galaxy and The Great Barrier... my theory is that the 'Great Barrier' may lay toward the centre of the Milky Way from the Fed's Klingon's and Romulans but its not the EXACT centre... its a veil or curtain or... BARRIER that is towards the centre... Only after TFF, did the anyone from the Fed area of space happen to get past it. This 'bubble' that is the Great Barrier might be halway between the Federation and the actual centre of the Galaxy... so making the TFF travel time viable.

OR my other theory, is that from the time that Sybok made it on Board the Enterprise - his 'undiciplined' Vulcan mind led everyone on a 'mind' journey - and not an actual physical journey.

Seriously, forks, I'd like to suggest a thing about Idran that sort of agrees with this silly map. Remember how at first, the wormhole was supposed to go 90,000 ly (in "Emissary"), but this was later amended to 70,000 ("Captive Pursuit" onwards, IIRC)? Hey, perhaps both figures are right. Perhaps the wormhole at first went to Idran, but the Prophets then moved its far end some 20,000 ly to another destination (possibly so that it would allow access to the Dominion and thus let the Emissary meet his destiny - an arrangement the Prophets hadn't thought of before they were awakened to the concept of linear time and encountered the Emissary, whom they then decided to retroactively create).

A moving wormhole end would allow us to dispense with the Idran reference, which places "the closest star to the wormhole mouth" uncomfortably far away. "Whispers" establishes that one can reach other Gamma stars far more rapidly than one could reach Idran. "Destiny" shows us there are tail-trailing comets in the vicinity, meaning there's a star nearby as well. Heck, even "Battle Lines" already suggested one could reach a star system very rapidly.

Idran was rementioned? Ah, too bad. There goes that explanation. Then again, we could simply say that the probe that originally mapped Idran got the star right but its location grossly wrong - perhaps the probe had hit a wormhole or other anomaly that had propelled it 20,000 ly backward and confused the inertial navigation system or something? Only the Bajoran wormhole allowed the Federation to measure the distance accurately, correcting it from 90,000 ly to the final value as soon as a properly equipped Oberth had gone through and done enough measuring.

"baha'el"