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TSN
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"Where did the Borg learn Latin?"

Erm... Picard's brain, perhaps?

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Mr. and Mrs. Hansen's brains? the free library at Memory Beta? or perhaps Borg is coincidentally the exact same language as Latin, thanks to cosmic happenstance..

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I remember, it's irrelevant from the borg, but has any humans gone out of the galaxy? I didn't pay much attentiopn to any of the other series, and the only movie I saw was first Contact...

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Yes. All in the original series.
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They've done it in The Next Generation.

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Oh, sure, if you count that.
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Malnurtured Snay
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I know that any episode scripted by Diane Duanne is as bad as her books, but, hey, people have debated endlessly about that guy's square rank pip. [Smile]

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digressing into a tangent for a moment...

Have they ever explained how the "scans" in trek work? Obviously they have very advanced sensors and so forth, but I'm curious about the how of it...

For example, I remember several times in various episodes seeing somebody scanning the computer systems without ever touching the control panels. The Borg in particular seemed to be able to hack and read anything they wanted in the Enterprises 'puter by flashing a green light over the displays. (perhaps I'm mistaken about that...it's been years since I've seen Borg episodes of TNG, but i'm positive somebody has done scans of computer systems without touching it in Trek)

Do the 'puters have some kind of port that transmits in, say, infrared or something? This would explain how the tricorders are able to talk to the ship's computer, and possibly how those evil aliens can hack from afar.

Or maybe i'm just really drunk, and remembering things wrong. That's surely a possiblity too.

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IIRC, the main computer emits a weak subspace fields through which it communicates with all onboard computery things (PADDs, trices, etc.). It's in the TNGTM somewhere.

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Oh. I guess I need to get one of those manuals sometime. Hope they have them at the library. I'm too poor to afford one.

"weak subspace fields"

...well, that tells you all you need to know, doesn't it? Didn't know that even the computers in trek had to use subspace to function, instead of say, using something plausable.

how do they encrypt it? with quantum subspace interference counter-resonation ICE? [Smile]

More seriously, how are we to know that "secure channel" is really secure? If we assume they are using some form of quantum encryption--which according to simon singh's The Code Book is mathematically unbreakable, if slightly implausible with today's tech--and I assume they are using it, since my understanding of trek subspace lends credibility to the belief that Q.E. would be perfect for it, then the Borg hacking the enterprise's computers brings about the question: Can the Borg beat quantum encryption on those pesky "weak subspace fields", or not?

If they can, this whole post of mine is stupid and moot. The Borg can do the impossible. Cool, it's sci-fi, why worry.

But if they can't, then they were cracking the core some other way. If they were, How?

sorry, I realize this is a horrible tangent. But these are the things I wonder about. Sadly, even more thoughts are bubbling up regarding Trek computers and encryption, but I will supress them so that somebody can deftly tell me the particular episode to watch or the book to read that has the answer to these questions.

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quote:
More seriously, how are we to know that "secure channel" is really secure?
As in real life, presumably never, at least not with absolute certainty.
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of course you're correct. But if nothing else, I would like to find out what kind of encryption they're using... the only times it's ever mentioned to my knowledge is when Data does something to lock somebody out of the system.

In First Contact, Data used quantum fractal encryption (or something similar, haven't seen the movie since the theatre release) on the 'puter to lock out the borg, saying something along the lines that it was "impossible to defeat". Knowing what a pragmatist Mr. Data is, I doubt he would make such a bold statement without some proof...

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quote:
Originally posted by Malnurtured Snay:
I know that any episode scripted by Diane Duanne is as bad as her books, but, hey, people have debated endlessly about that guy's square rank pip. [Smile]

Who and what square rank pip?
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Kosinski had a square pip on his collar in "Where No One has Gone Before" TNG. Interestingly, he also wore a gold starfleet uniform, but no communicator.

I think the implication was that he wasn't actually in Starfleet. However, they hadn't quite worked out the details about those types of things yet so it kind of got botched.

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Actually, I believe Data said "almost impossible to break" or "incredibly unlikely" about the code in FC.

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