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What's that I heard? Was someone dissing the GREATEST FILM EVER MADE (IMSNHO)? Perhaps someone who placed both "The Motion Picture" and "The Undiscovered Country" unforgivably ahead of it? Does someone need some smack-down? You will kneel before TWOK as it is your master.
quote: Its pretensions at depth are to make allusions to literature rather than itself having something memorable to say.
You did put The Motion Picture and The Undiscovered Country first, did you not? Allright. I just wanted to make sure. For whatever reason I can't get the image of an eye-patched Chris Plummer spinning around in his chair melodramatically spouting Shakespeare.
For the sake of the children I won't go the various reasons, but suffice it to say that you are obviously mistaken
my list: 1) The Wrath Of Khan 2) The Voyage Home 3) The Search For Spock 4) First Contact 5) The Motion Picture 6) The Undiscovered Country
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quote:Originally posted by Balaam Xumucane: You did put The Motion Picture and The Undiscovered Country first, did you not? Allright. I just wanted to make sure. For whatever reason I can't get the image of an eye-patched Chris Plummer spinning around in his chair melodramatically spouting Shakespeare.
And "KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!" is better?
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You also dislike TMP, but have still put it ahead of TUC, which is a...unique viewpoint to say the least.
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It is the best of this particular bunch.
*prove me wrong, Nemesis* *chuckles*
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The other day, someone over at uk.media.tv.sf.farscape expressed an opinion that over time, First Contact's flash-bang high-action quotient has tended to date it a bit, while the simpler story and more personal tone of Insurrection has kept it fresh. I'm almost inclined to agree. . .
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It's just that TUC is so derrivative. It is so obviously trying to be as interesting as TWOK and so obviously never getting there. A good point of comparison would be the 'bad-guys'. Where General Chang is motivated by powerlust and greed, the superhuman Khan once bested by Kirk has been stewing in the wicked environment of Ceti Alpha Five for fifteen grueling years, watching his wife die a torturous death as the Ceti Eel squeezed the life from her cerebral cortex. Like a pacing lion in his cage, Khan is finally given the opportunity to strike and he takes it swiftly and viciously. Where it was easy to hate Chang, the irresistably cunning Khan made that much more difficult because we could sense his anguish. In TWOK Kirk is an aging hero trying to come to grips with the loss of his youth. He says he feels tired and worn out; the vicious and relentless Khan is attempting to kill him; his own son thinks he's an absurd and failing caricature, but rather than succumbing to these pressures and self-doubts, he re-invents himself into a hero once more. TUC lacks this kind of internal struggle. TUC might have had some more impressive-looking vfx sequences, however the still- impressive scenes in TWOK are absolutely riveting as we watch these two old enemies square off in a vicious pit-fight. In their initial clash, Kirk's huge tactical blunder nearly gets his entire crew vaporized in the process, but it's a come from behind victory as the wounded Enterprise manages to cheat (a common theme in the film) death to trick Reliant to drop her shields and turn the lopsided contest into a fighting chance to survive. In TUC, we have Capt. Sulu coming to the rescue, and while George Takei's presence is always welcome and the scenario is probably more realistic, it just doesn't have the same thematic resonance (and speaking for myself, I don't go to the movies for realism). I mean this isn't even getting into the selfless sacrifice of Spock, Kirk's longtime friend and companion, suddenly dead so that Kirk can once again escape death. Here's a character we've watched and loved for decades, now dead because his omnipresent logic dictated that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one. You show me where TUC can even touch the emotional impact of that and maybe we can talk. It's my opinion that TUC is but a shadowy reflection of TWOK, and I earnestly believe that.
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Not to mention that in TWOK, airbody knew what their jobs where & how t'do them right. In TUC, the senior staff--25-year space veterans & legends in their own time--were shown to be little more than players in the Little Yellow Bus production of "Space Cadet." Spock had all the answers..no one else?
Chekov was chief of security at one point & presumably 2nd or 3rd officer then; he didn't know alarms would go off when a phaser was fired? (where DID those alarms go in TNG, ANyway?) He was first officer on Reliant & he didn't think of this shit? Perhaps his sideburn glue seeped through his skin.
Uhura--head of an entire communications department of a starship--didn't know how to speak Klingon, even after dealing with them for 25 years AND being around when they ripped apart one of their ships? If I was trying to penetrate an enemy boarder & was hailed by a listening post, I'd DAMN sure better use better syntax than that of a Bulgarian immigrant with a 1st-grade education.
And when did Scotty stop being the doubting Thomas he was in TOS & start being the ships, version of the fat agreeably gullible drunken sweaty bastard people only invite over for mandatory family functions? Perhaps it's tim to stop upgrading the donut replicator & start fixing the ginko biloba machine.
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Funny, I was going to say "because it's covered with flavored mold"...
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