I read reviews for Voyager despite the fact that they irritate me because I still like to hear others' perspectives. But I just have to say that some people just really piss me off (don't be offended by that, please). But they really do. (This isn't directed towards anyone in this forum, so don't think I'm singling anyone out or anything, I'm just venting.)

One argument I hear over and over is that Voyager isn't original. Let start off by saying that hardly anything is original. Nuances and details makes stories different from each other, but most basic stories are based around a series of events that have been written down before. Let's face it, even when Voyager started there were over 200 hours of Trek already made - come on, people, how many stories about a ship in space can there be before similarities crop up? Yes, there are similarities between Voyager and other episodes of other series. GET OVER IT! Voyager never was nor ever will be COMPLETELY ORIGINAL. There is a precedence for everything. Like my English professor says: literature (and other stories) are driven by three main things - sex, death, and control. I think ALL Trek stories could relate to one of those, but it seems that just because Voyager happens to tell a story similar to one already done on TOS or TNG that it is shunned. It's ridiculous.

Another thing I'm sick of is people who watch Voyager merely to criticize it. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Don't waste our time by writing about how every aspect of every episode is so horribly awful and stupid and ignorant, and what have we. GET A LIFE!

Another thing, this 'consistency' thing a lot of people keep complaining about. I'm sure TNG and TOS and DS9 have just as much inconsistency as Voyager does. So Voyager gets a few stardates or whatever off the mark. At least Voyager doesn't have a ship that has eighteen different lengths and deck numbers and what have we (and we all know what ship I'm referring to).

I also hear a lot about how Voyager isn't real enough. Too many shuttles, too many torpedoes, should be in the Beta Quadrant. People, its called fiction. If this show were reality, Voyager and everyone on board would have been dead a LONG TIME AGO! But its not real, so DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT!

I don't know why, but people just can't seem to sit down and simply watch an episode. Just watch it. People are so bent on nitpicking Voyager to death. Any series would come up a little short under intense scrutiny. But the only show that seems to be on the other end of that scrutiny is Voyager.

I guess what I want to know is, what's so wrong with it. I enjoy it very much, and maybe that's all that's necessary. But what I want to know, how come these people can just sit aroung and b*tch about something knowing that if they had to run the show that they couldn't come up with anything any better. If they could, they'd be writing the show!

A lot of people seem to be out just to bash Voyager, and to be frank, it's getting old. I guess all I'm asking is to just ease up on it and simply enjoy it for what it is. It's not perfect, I know. But it could be a lot, lot worse.

I site an example. "Threashhold" broke a fundamental rule that has been laid down all along and in the process destroyed the premise of the show. If they can get a shuttle to go warp 10, they can get it to go warp 9.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 and ferry everybody home in a few weeks.

When stuff like this happens consistantly, good idea or not, it simply implies a lack of respect on the part of the creators for the forum in which they are creating.

But all that aside, I think Voyager is and can be a good show.

But I disagree with you 5748. If something is established they shouldn't change their minds and change it. Also, just because it is science fiction that doesn't mean consistency is not important.

I'm not saying that if in one episode Chakotay says, hey there's three shuttles left, and two episodes later, someone else says there are five left that it's ok. What I'm saying is - there should not be so much attention placed on something on which the series isn't based. The show wasn't created with 'let's keep perfect count of shuttles' in mind. The writers simply want to tell stories. We know by watching the show that the writers aren't going to follow shuttle count, so why is it necessary to constantly bring it up knowing that nothing is going to change? Why can't some people just accept it and move on?

I would even go that far and say that concerning single episodes Voyager is both the most creative and the most consistent of all Trek shows.

One problem is that few single episodes are crap because at a high creativity tolerance the risk of making mistakes is high (you know, the warp 10 thing, for instance). Another problem is that the consistency cannot be maintained over a large number of episodes. The shuttle, torpedo, ship repair and crew restrictions are hard, as opposed to TNG and DS9 where everything can easily be replaced.

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-Father of Vulcan phylosophy(forgot his name): "Nothing unreal exists"
-Spock: "Logic is the beginning of wisdom..."

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-Father of Vulcan phylosophy(forgot his name): "Nothing unreal exists"
-Spock: "Logic is the beginning of wisdom..."

BTW: That's also the name of the Vulcan ship in FC.