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Fructose
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And she also talked in a weird language. And as for all all klingons being agressive and cardiassians being treacherous, did you ever thing that maybe it's a part of their physiology. Certain chemicals in our brain make us agressive so maybe all klingons produce more of that chemical. And if we only see a handful of a certain type of alien, what are the chances that they don't fall in what is considered the norm for that society? After all, most people are 'normal.' Otherwise it wouldn't be normal. If you want to see the diversity in a civilization, you have to look at a lot more than 5 or 10. You need to look at millions or even billions. You would never see something like that on the show. Your 'facts' are based on such a small portion of what could really be there. Suppose all you could see of earth was the Hawiian Islands. You would think the whole earth is like that. Obviously that's not true.

Oh, and I do know some people that are 'mixed-raced' that do struggle with their different heritages.


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How could all Klingons possibly reach a state where they're all naturally agressive? Agressive members of a species are more likely to kill each other before the species evolves into becoming intelligence. The whole notion is Trek-style pseudo-science, and that's very generous usage of the word "science."

If we're only seeing limited, specialised examples, then why do we hear about "Klingon culture" or "Ferengi culture"?

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One thing I didn't get about this episode was:

If Harry was crazy about Ballard, why did he engage Libby?

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Because Voyager is a badly-written show with poor continuity? But I'm not saying anything I haven't said before.

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Fabrux
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*thwaps Frank around with a large trout for a while*

I think perhaps we should import one of the TrekBBS's rules into Flare:

No Voyager bashing in the Voyager forum

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Fructose
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Hey let me borrow that trout for a while. Frank, have you ever heard of the concept of 'suspension of belief?'

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Yes, but Voyager suspends our disbelief from dental floss hung between two 20-mile-high towers. If that makes any sense. There's only so much nonsense I can stand.

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Sol System
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And yet you continue to share it with the rest of us. Defensive adaptation?

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Well, in the case of episodes like "Fair Haven," I'm more than happy to just stop watching.

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Meanwhile, I'm very thankful for David Sluss's weekly sanity-maintenance writings.

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And again, if your sanity is linked to such things, I cannot possibly stress how much you need to go outside and talk a walk now and then.

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Oh, shush.

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Face it Frank, if you take a fine toothed comb to any tv show, movie, book, or whatever, you'll find a bunch of mistakes. Every movie I see I can think of dozens of things that aren't realistic. But they don't make stuff like this for realism. If you want that, watch Cops or any show on The Learning Channel. I watch Voyager for entertainment and I don't worry about things like that. I thought of half of the things in the review you linked to before I read it. But I don't care. If it bothers you so much, why do you watch it?

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There's a ratio of the number of mistakes to the amount of good storytelling a series can have before people start to notice. DS9 had plenty of problems, but it also had plenty of great episodes and storylines. Voyager, IMO, lacks the latter.

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Well, honestly, it is kind of hard to be entertained by a show when you're constantly noticing blatant errors like some of those mentioned.

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