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Well, while the Enterprise-A's ultimate fate is unknown, we know from Star Trek VI that the movie ended with the Enterprise eventually making it back to Earth in order to be decommissioned. After that, her fate is unknown. Is she in some museum? Did she get disassembled? Did she get turned into a galactic party tour ship? We don't know. But the movie definitely gives the impression that the Enterprise-A's last Starfleet mission ended by being nearly destroyed by Klingons.
As friend Stephen once told me, "If you're on the Enterprise and the Klingons show up, someone's about to lose a flagship."
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I don't recall there being any mention of the A being decomissioned before the end of ST:VI (correct me if I am wrong). I always assumed that the A was being decomissioned because of the severe damage it took in the battle with the klingons.
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The reason for decommissioning was somewhat nebulous. The start of the film had the crew taking about being three months away from retirement. Whether or not the ship was to follow the same fate is unknown. But what we do know is that at the end, Uhura repeated a message from Starfleet Command ordering then to return to Earth to be decommissioned. At some point between the end of Star Trek VI and the beginning of Generations, the Enterprise-A is retired. Possibly from the damage? Perhaps.
I happen to think that the Enterprise-A's decommissioning was coming up pretty quickly. The Excelsior class was probably in production by this point since the Excelsior herself was dropped from experimental status. And just a short three years later, the Enterprise-B was ready for launch. The Enterprise-B was a modified Excelsior class. Since it would take a while to build a ship (yet alone design the modifications and incorporate them into the design), I think that the Enterprise-B was already under construction during Star Trek VI.
This is just my opinion, but some of the facts that I use to base this opinion on are the Enterprise-B's design and construction time and that Starfleet didn't send another ship after the Enterprise-A when she first stated her warp drive was out for weeks and when the communication system went down. It seemed to me that Starfleet just sort of accepted the excuses as if they expected the ship to be suffering some minor or moderate systems trouble (granted, I also remain open to the possibility that the Enterprise-A was dodging ships that were sent after her).
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But the Klingons were there when the Romulans blew up that Ent, that should count for something- Klingons are bad luck for the Enterprise name.
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::in a Cartman mumble::
Goddamn you guys...
Alright, Klingons were involved in the destruction of every Enterprise...
And I believe my character stated as much.
You goddamn nitpickers of every goddman sentence...goddamn.
Screw you guys, I'm goin home.
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What were Uhura's words at the end of ST6 again? Did she specify that it was the ship that was to be decommissioned, or could she have meant the officers? Do Starfleet officers get "decommissioned", that is, do they lose their commissions when they retire? Kirk did seem to wear his uniform even in retirement in "Generations".
Were the E-A officers perhaps to be dishonorably discharged (aka "decommissioned" in Starfleet parlance?) for their actions, despite McCoy's optimistic belief that the universe wasn't going to prosecute this time?
Kirk at least, in his farewell log entry, was convinced that "THIS ship" would inherit a new crew and go to new adventures. Not that he need have been right or anything, but at least Uhura's words hadn't convinced him that the story of the E-A was over.
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Uhura's exact words were, "We are to put back to port immediately... to be decommissioned." She doesn't specifically say that it is the ship or the crew that's going to be decommissioned, but the word "decommissioned" isn't usually used to apply to people.
I highly doubt that Kirk and the senior staff were dishonorably discharged. Think to the beginning of Star Trek: Generations. Chekov, Scotty, and Kirk were all at the launching ceremony for the Enterprise-B. All were in their uniforms with the same rank insignia as from The Undiscovered Country. If the crew had been dishonorably discharged, Kirk and company would probably not have been on the Enterprise-B for the ceremony. But if Starfleet did allow it, then they would have been civilian garb and not in their uniforms.
Besides, Starfleet would never have dishonorably discharged them for saving the galaxy. The last time the crew disobeyed orders and saved the day, the crew got a brand new Enterprise-A and Kirk was demoted to Captain in order to command that ship. Obviously a decision on the part of the Federation President and Starfleet Commander-in-Chief. I think the same thing happened at the end of The Undiscovered Country. Since Kirk saved their butts again, the Pres and CinC decided "they're not going to prosecute."
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Anyway perhaps this plot idea may explain why NCC-1701 (TOS era ship) is the first fed/starship to bear the name. At the end of the Enterprise (pre-TOS era) run, there final mission involves these circumstances: In order to prevent some temporal displacement catastrophe to save the world, involving perhaps the Klingons/Romulans/totally new and unseen race. Capt. Beckett and Co. go back in time (waits for the groans to stop) to the point before this new enterprise even went on the drawing boards, but some special piece of alien technology purges the future timeline of anything which may have become corrupted in the timeline, so that by the time we get to kirk's era, Beckett's enterprise never even existed...
Of course i'm probably completely wrong. [specially with everyone laughing at me ]
well that was my opinion.
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sorry bout the name, for some reason all i can think of is: Sam Beckett/
is Sam beckett anyone important?
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I also began to think of Arch-Bishop of Canturbury but thats thomas beckett.
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