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Hi fellow trekkers I was just wondering if there as been given any hits about what this super weapon that is being built by the xindi is? The reason that I ask is and somewhat hoping that it could be the Doomsday machine. Cause how else would Kirk know about it and if the federation at some point destroyed the xindi who build it caused the machine to wonder off and comeback in the future were the Constellation ran into it. Just wondering and thanks
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Yeah. The setup for "The Doomsday Machine" is, more or less: Starfleet: "Hey, that's a weird sensor reading. And where did the Constellation go? Hey, Enterprise, go find out."
Actually, I don't remember if the Constellation was missing when the episode started or not. Or, for that matter, if they were sent to find said machine or if they just stumbled across it. Hmm. So, I guess this post is kind of unhelpful. Unless it isn't.
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Actually, IIRC, the beginning involved the discovery of the destroyed solar systems and all of the subspace interference, meanwhile the white-Uhura (Palmer) picked up a faint distress call of the Constellation....
Kirk knew nothing of the device, and Spock said that it most likely came from outside our galaxy. The Xindi are in our galaxy.
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Of course with B&B in charge anything could happen. They don't seem concerned with how their stories will affect established lore. We could say that it would be impossible that it could be the planet killer, only to find out that the Xindi did in fact build it in the universe of NX-01. Of course Kirk didn't know about it until it tried to eat his ship. He and Spock only postulated on its origins. I would find the Xindi creation of the planet killer far more believable than the events of last season's "Regeneration."
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About Kirk knowing about the Machine, it sounds like to me that he knew about it BEFORE going on the 1017. Decker was describing what they had been attack by and Kirk KNEW what he was talking about, so somewhere before the Doomsday Machine had been encountered by someone, in other word how would Kirk know about it with out see it!
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The Xindi superweapon is not going to be the Doomsday machine, because Enterprise has nothing to do with TOS. Because if it did, Spock would have said something to the effect of, "Well, that race of people you guys went to war with 100 years ago had a similar planet-killing machine, which took a big chunk out of Florida. Remember them, Jim? Who were those guys called again?..." But he didn't say anything of the sort.
And I'm surprised that no one has mentioned just how stupid the Xindi are. They are in the process of building a super-weapon, but first they built a prototype. What do they then do with that prototype? They use it on the planet that they want to use the main weapon on! Wouldn't it have been more logical to target an insignificant planet for the test? Now Earth knows it's being targeted, so that it can make preparations to defend itself from the future sneak-attack. Silly Braga.
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quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: Kirk knew nothing of the device, and Spock said that it most likely came from outside our galaxy. The Xindi are in our galaxy.
According to Spock, 99% of the things they encountered "most likely came from outside our galaxy." Including Chekov. Probably.
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Good one. Let's hope that the proper production-model of the Xindi superweapon is able to attack in more than one dimension, at least two. Or are they going to scratch the Earth to death?
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I seriously doubt that the Doomsday Machine is the Xindi super weapon. It has been revealed by Future Guy that the Xindi are interested in destroying the Earth so that people from Earth do not annihilate their race in the future. The Doomsday Machine on the other hand destroys all planets, stars, space bodies, and starships in its path to break them down for fuel. The pieces are swallowed by the large maw and then digested.
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quote:Originally posted by Pwesty: About Kirk knowing about the Machine, it sounds like to me that he knew about it BEFORE going on the 1017. Decker was describing what they had been attack by and Kirk KNEW what he was talking about, so somewhere before the Doomsday Machine had been encountered by someone, in other word how would Kirk know about it with out see it!
I don't think so. He was making an analogy about weapons like the H-bomb that no sane persons would ever use.
As to it's coming from outside the galaxy, Spock inferred that by plotting a course back through the line of destroyed solar systems, which pointed back outside the galaxy, apparently (easy to figure if it came in from an angle not matching the galactic plane, which is pretty thin out our way).
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quote:And I'm surprised that no one has mentioned just how stupid the Xindi are. They are in the process of building a super-weapon, but first they built a prototype. What do they then do with that prototype? They use it on the planet that they want to use the main weapon on! Wouldn't it have been more logical to target an insignificant planet for the test? Now Earth knows it's being targeted, so that it can make preparations to defend itself from the future sneak-attack. Silly Braga.
I've been wondering about this very thing ever since I saw "The Expanse". It seems like if you are going to make a pre-emptive strike that you would totally annihilate your target. Why just cut a swath of destruction from Florida to Venezeula, and then send a bigger weapon later to finish the job?
It makes me wonder if the Xindi are even involved and Archer is just being manipulated by Future Guy and the Suliban for a yet unexplained reason. Hmmm... what could the real reason be? Do I even care?
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quote:Originally posted by Pwesty: About Kirk knowing about the Machine, it sounds like to me that he knew about it BEFORE going on the 1017. Decker was describing what they had been attack by and Kirk KNEW what he was talking about, so somewhere before the Doomsday Machine had been encountered by someone, in other word how would Kirk know about it with out see it!
My computer crapped on me last night before I got to send this, and I see Mr. Neutron already covered it, nonetheless I thought I would give this beast a topic thorough scrubbing once and for all:
Kirk "KNEW" nothing about the planet killer. His entire suggestion was merely a theory and the entire scenario was a mystery to them until they discovered the Constellion, her logs and Decker before finally crossing paths with actual Planetkiller.
Nothing from the script seems to confirm your ideas:
KIRK: What happened to your ship, Matt? DECKER: My ship ... Attacked! That -- That thing. KIRK: What was it? DECKER: That -- KIRK: Answer me! What was it? What happened, Matt?
KIRK: What hit? What attacked you? DECKER: They say there's no devil, Jim, but there is. Right out of hell, I saw it.
DECKER: If you'd seen it, you'd know. The whole thing must be a weapon. KIRK: What does it look like? DECKER: Well, it's -- it's miles long, with a maw that could swallow a dozen starships. It destroys planets, chops them into rubble. KIRK: What is it, an alien ship? Or is it alive -- DECKER: Both or neither. I don't know.
SPOCK: She was attacked by what appears to be essentially ... a robot, an automated weapon of immense size and power. Its apparent function is to smash planets to rubble and then digest the debris for fuel. It is, therefore, self-sustaining as long as there are planetary bodies for it to feed on. KIRK: A robot weapon that purposely destroys entire solar systems. Why? SPOCK: Unknown, Captain. However, Mr. Sulu has computed the path of the machine, using the destroyed solar systems as a base course. Projecting back on our star charts, we find that it came from outside, from another galaxy.
and finally:
MCCOY: This whole thing is incredible. A robot? A machine like that, who would build it? KIRK: We don't know. An alien race, apparently from another galaxy. MCCOY: But why? KIRK: Bones...did you ever hear of a doomsday machine? MCCOY: No. I'm a doctor, not a mechanic. KIRK: It's a weapon built primarily as a bluff. It's never meant to be used. So strong, it could destroy both sides in a war. Something like the old H-Bomb was supposed to be. That's what I think this is -- a doomsday machine that somebody used in a war uncounted years ago. They don't exist anymore, but the machine is still destroying. DECKER: Oh, forget about your theories!
That's all folks!
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"Why just cut a swath of destruction from Florida to Venezeula, and then send a bigger weapon later to finish the job?"
What about "Just cut a swath of destruction from Florida to Venezuela, and then send a bigger weapon EARLIER to finish the job"?
After all, the weapon supposedly had some sort of a time machine hooked up. For all we know, the Xindi succeeded on their second try, and destroyed Earth in 2073. That just wasn't in the timeline we're interested in. And the Xindi in turn aren't all that interested in the timeline we are interested in. They just do the Sliders thing and move to where things look the brightest for them.
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