Scroll down to see that the BoP wingspan barely matches that of the freighter. In contrast, "Return to Grace" apparently showed the 36-man BoP to be more than half the length of the Cardassian freighter. The wing-mounted thingamabobs are visible here, but the bow shape is difficult to discern. It somehow seems more bulky than the Cardassian two-prong to me.
And if the Freedom nacelle wasn't the Galaxy one, but rather the one seen mounted atop those early Nebulas, then the ship would scale down to something with a Constitution-sized saucer; that is, a modernized Saladin/Hermes design. That would fit with the neck structure, too. The saucertop bridge assembly wouldn't be two decks high, then, but just one. But we haven't seen any good close-ups to confirm the Fact Files bridge configuration yet, whereas we have found out that the Niagara FF schematics were erroneous - so I don't want to argue against myself on such flimsy evidence.
The ship from Babel (Jaheel): The ship can be seen docked to DS9 and it looks a bit larger than the usual Bajoran freighter, Wadi ship or the various "Antares" class vessels.
Freedom: From what can be seen on the FF diagrams and on screen in BoBW, the ship seems to have a bridge (deck 1) plus a raised deck 2, probably with a shuttlebay. This is only possible if the ship is quite large, and this would match with the Galaxy nacelle. I don't trust in the accuracy of the FF diagram concerning the windows in the neck. They are not visible on screen anyway. The only way to make the ship overall smaller (it could have New Orleans nacelles in this case) would be if the decks 1 and 2 are sticking out much more than it appears.
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Too bad the Firebrand was the only model that we didn't get some kind of accompanying photo besides just the FF diagram.
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First off,Very Nice!!!!!!! Second whats the ship directly above the Saratoga with 4 nacelles.
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Akula: The ship above the Saratoga is the ship shown in Data's computer screen in "conspiracy". It is the FASA "orion wanderer" but it has an obvious Federation form. It has 2 nacelles only. The ship below the Saratoga is the 4-nacelled Excelsior study model. We have on screen evidence of it in BOBW and Unification and 2 pics of the model from Mike Okuda.
I agree with Bernd in general about the BOP and Freedom. The model makers for BOBW used 2 different sizes of Enterprise-D parts. Thus we have:
New Orleans: small saucer with small nacelles (with extensions) Niagara: small saucer with large nacelles Freedom: small saucer with large nacelle Challenger: small saucer with small nacelles (plus the Cheyenne and Springfield with small saucers and marker nacelles).
All in all, the Freedom really isn't so big. Remember when we thought it was a full-sized galaxy saucer with 1 nacelle. That would be both big and ugly.
In general, my philosophy is based on pragmatics. What did the writers and producers want to show us? Obviously gaffes like the NCC-1305-E and the Prometheus NX-59k were problems. I generally go with the most consistent result. Otherwise, we're making a lot out of a little. The one big problem I see is scaling. Obviously they don't want to show the Defiant as 120 m next to DS9. They also scaled up the Rotarran to match the Defiant. In the writers/producer's minds "it doesn't matter". steps off soap box...
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Oh, I forgot to say, all 4 images are scaled to each other. So if you wanted to grab all the Wolf 359 ships or compare the Dominion vs. Federation fleets you can just cut and paste them into a new document.
Ben
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The only way that could be cooler is if they were labled somehow so that the many ships whose identity I just can't determine were known to me.
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I'll see what I can do. What is more pressing, the Federation odds and ends or the alien ships?
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It'll take me a while to put the names in. I might have to cut up the views a little (maybe 3 charts for the aliens and 2 for the federation).
Ben
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Why do you assume the Orion Wanderer is a Federation-designed craft? The TOS Bird of Prey also had cylindrical tapering nacelles with rounded red endcaps. If Cochrane thought of it, other races could copy it. After two centuries, the Orions could no doubt make their own derivative design...
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The Orion ship is the one to the right of the Constitution-refit in the lower part of the picture. It was only glimpsed as a schematic in those early TNG computer screen data dumps ("Conspiracy", at least, but possibly also "The Last Outpost" and "The Naked Now").
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