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The Mighty Monkey of Mim
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At the time of TOS and the first four movies or so, 'starship' was a specific term for what we now call Constitution-class vessels.

I always thought of this as slightly ridiculous.

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It wasn't ridiculous at that time -- it's only ridiculous now because nowadays, the term starship no longer refers to simply Constitution-class.

The TOS producers had clearly established in their writers' guide that there were 12 ships of what they called the starship-class, first of which were commissioned forty years before TOS. It's obvious that in "The Counter Clock Incident", April's age of 75 was calculated by adding 41 years to 34; the episode also establishes he was involved in the ship's construction and commanded the Enterprise for the next twenty-five years.

All twelve ships had names but no registries, aside from the Constellation, Enterprise, and maybe the Constitution (did its registry appear in Khan's sickbay readouts in "Space Seed"?) Later on, I suppose someone assumed that the Constitution was the class ship because of its nice NCC-1700 registry, widely published in Franz Joseph's blueprints. Originally, however, the Enterprise was to be the first ship of the 17th class of vessels because of its -01 registry (Matt Jefferies). This could be where Joseph got the idea to number the ships sequentially (Constellation being an exception).

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The best explanation ive heard was in Diane Carey's Final Frontier. April and the Starship Development Project coined the term 'starship' for their vessel to describe the differences between Constitution and the mere spaceships of the time. No one had used the term before, so it referred only to those vessels.

And then, somewhere along the line, it began to refer to all ships that were capable of independant interstellar travel.

Except in Enterprise Archer has already referred to NX-01 as a starship. So much for that one.

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There's nothing wrong with that, provided that the Constitution-class is the only starship class during TOS. Only the best starships of any time time would be called starships, while the others no longer would. Later on, the terminology loosened up.

"It takes 430 people to man a starship" (Daystrom, "The Ultimate Computer").

But there was no reason for Okuda to change the 40-year age. The older the ship, the easier it becomes to explain the vastly different style of the movies-era. Let's say that in the TOS era, starships are but a remmant of an earlier age of exploration, no longer worth building in large numbers. These ships and the remote starbases would be out of touch with Earth for months at a time, and always behind as far as technological updates are concerned. In some ways (size? weaponry? speed?) they were top-of-the-line, because they needed to deal with whatever unknown aliens they'd encounter. In other ways, they were inferior.

Back on Earth, however, Starfleet would be building smaller and more modern ships such as Mirandas to deal with the Klingons and Romulans. When the Enterprise returned to Earth, it finally got a chance to upgrade to this new standard. What follows is the militaristic era of the Trek movies as we know it, with Enterprise dealing mostly with troubles rather than exploring space. However, because of its age, the class is always under threat of decommissioning and/or serving as a cadet training vessel.

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I mentioned a while back a way of explaining not only "Starship Class" but "Antares Class" too...

Think of it like taxonomy... Kingdom Phylum Class Order Family Genus Species Subspecies

"STARSHIP CLASS" could encompass a whole variety of other classes... including Constitution class, Excelsior Class and Miranda Class.

"ANTARES CLASS" could be another one of these superclasses... that encompass a wider range of sub classes... i.e. The Xhosa type etc. etc. etc. This could be for classes of ships that are generally considered for use as cargo vessels.

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Have any of you seen the episode "The Menagerie, Part 1"? I don't want to be rude, but I do feel that statements are being said as if they are authoritative.

The named episode gives us the only specific class for a starship in the run of Star Trek: the J Class Starship. By Capt. Kirk's era, this class was old.

The show Enterprise, surprisingly, is giving us a glimpse into the order of classes prior to the Kirkian Era. This order is matching what we know from this era.


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I could have sworen there were plenty of other ships that had their classes named. Like the E-D, E-A, Def, Voy, Prometheus, maybe even the Nebula, New Orleans, & the Danube were named. And as I think about it so was the Constellation, Miranda, and Soyuz.

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Constitution was said on screen in "The Naked Now"
New Orleans and Ambassador were said in "Conspiracy"
Galaxy was said in "Encounter At Farpoint"
Soyuz was said in "Cause And Effect"
Constellation was said in "The Battle"
Daedalus was said in "Power Play"
Defiant was said in "The Search" I believe...
Intrepid was said in "Caretaker"
Nova was said in "Equinox"

Dunno about the rest of the classes.

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Nebula was in The Wounded, and 'Defiant-class' didn't actually come up directly until either "Valiant" or "The Dogs of War." Danube was in "Emissary," I think (Sisko's first station log).

I'm racking my brain to get the first Excelsior mention. Not too much luck.

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ST3, of course.

No, Danube's first mention was "Hippocratic Oath." I think up to then, I was calling them "Nile-class" ships.

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The class was not mentioned in ST3, just the actual ship.

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In my posting, I was referring to the first series.
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Yeah, I was just about to point out that none of the episodes named were any time during the run of "Star Trek", which you specified in the original statement. (I'm pointing this out for the benefit of everyone who missed it. I'm sure you already know what you said. :-) )
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Perhaps it would be the most logical choice to say that the NCC-1701-nil was originally built as an Enterprise class vessel, and later refitted to Constitution specs?

That would jibe with most of the canonical data. The "Enterprise class" plaque next to the simulator might be an outdated one, from the days the simulator simulated the bridges of TOS era vessels. The canon references to "Constitution class" are either vague as to which version they refer to (like Picard's line in "Relics"), or specifically referring to the refitted version (like Scotty's picture or the "Naked Now" computer screen).

And of course, "1701" being the first of a class would be consistent with "01" being the first of a class. The Excelsior might usher in a new tradition of registration, or perhaps merely reinforce the old one in that non-operational "pre-prototype" testbeds get the double zero?

Or was there a mention of Constitution class in "Trials and Tribble-ations"? That would rain on my parade a *lot*. Alas.

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And we reach further...

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