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Hey all, that one got my attention. And being in posession of an actual model that is fairly simmilar to the Kyushu, I'd say it's pretty close to my model. Looking at the right angle of both the Ent-d and the Kyu, I'd have to say it's a New Orleans ship. The nacelles on the Ent-d are much closer together and you can't see the fronts when the deflector dish is in view. You can with the New Orleans ship. I'd take a picture and show you, but no digital camera. I'll take a couple 'real' pictures and post them some time soon.
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First, lets picture the New Orleans right-side up. This is what the New Orleans model looked like:
Now notice the battle damage to the saucer. There are large dark cuts going down the left side of the saucer, and a large blotch going diagonally toward the front right. Now look at upside down ship. Notice any unusually DARK splotches on the saucer section? One dark blotch appears to go from the bridge over to where the ship is obscured by the pylon. This is on the right-hand side. When flipped over, this blotch would be on the left-hand side, corresponding with the picture I just posted. Also notice the other, diagonally positioned splotch. When flipped, this matches the picture posted above, again.
Second, we have this picture:
This is the bottom of the same New Orleans model. Notice the nacelle closest to us on the upside down ship. Notice no red Bussard Collector? That's because it's not there. When flipped over, we see that the corresponding nacelle on the New Orleans model no longer has a Buzzard Collector, its been ripped clean off. Now, look at the other nacelle of the New Orleans model. A chunk of the nacelle on the inward part is missing. Now look at the corresponding nacelle on the mystery ship. Notice a black splotch immediatly behind the Bussard Collector?
Now, where are the pods you ask? They are still there. Look at the far nacelle on the picture, and look IMMEDIATLY above the red bussard collector. Notice an area that is whiter then the rest of the ship? That is the pod, NOT the nacelle you are seeing. We can't see the other two pods merely because they are blocked from view.
Also notice that the saucer is too small in comparison to the nacelles in order for it to be a Galaxy.
Therefore, in conclusion, that is not only a New Orleans class starship, but it is THE same model used in Wolf 359. The battle damage corresponding is conclusive of that.
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quote:Originally posted by Ace: Why would Starfleet name a ship the "City of..."?
There is a (see the singular notation..."A," meaning one ever) precedent. That would be USS City Of Corpus Christi (SSN-705). The decision to name her that was in deference to those Christians who would object to a boat named USS Corpus Christi. which would then have the appearance of a weapons platform named after the body of a major religious icon.
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I'm sure Mike's evidence is conclusive beyond a doubt, but a pop-up box got in my way, so we'll never know...
From the few blurbs I've read about the City of New Orleans labeling on those original sketches, the name was nothing more than a joke that they used while coming up with the design. I don't know the origins of the joke, but didn't it turn out that Sisko was from New Orleans too? I think it's just a city they like.
I suppose it's also possible that they were originally going to name all the runabouts after cities instead of rivers.
Riding on the City of New Orleans, Illinois Central, monday morning rail, Fifteen cars and fifteen restless riders, Three conductors, twenty-five sacks of mail. All along the southbound Odyssey The train pulls out at Kankakee And rolls along past houses, farms and fields, Passing trains that have no name And freight yards full of old black men And the graveyards of the rusted automobiles.
Good morning, America, how are you? Say, don't you know me, I'm your native son. I'm the train they call the City of New Orleans, I'll be gone five hundred miles when the day is done.
Dealin' card games with the old men in the club car, Penny a point, ain't no one keepin' score, Pass the paper bag that holds the bottle, And feel the wheels rumblin' 'neath the floor. And the sons of Pullman porters and the sons of engineers Ride their father's magic carpets made of steel Mothers with their babes asleep Are rockin' to the gentle beat And the rhythm of the rails is all they feel.
Good morning, America, how are you? Say, don't you know me, I'm your native son. I'm the train they call the City of New Orleans, I'll be gone five hundred miles when the day is done.
Night-time on the City of New Orleans Changing cars in Memphis, Tennessee Halfway home, we'll be there by morning Through the Mississippi darkness rollin' down to the sea. But all the towns and people seem to fade into a bad dream And the steel rail still ain't heard the news The conductor sings his songs again, The passengers will please refrain, This train's got the disappearin' railroad blues.
Good night, America, how are you? Say, don't you know me, I'm your native son. I'm the train they call the City of New Orleans, I'll be gone five hundred miles when the day is done.
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Quite simply, because the moving camera is more easily mounted ABOVE an object and shooting DOWN over something, than being under something and shooting UP. More space efficitent that way too. You'll notice that many exterior shots of main Starships (E-D, Voyager, etc.) are seen from the underside from our perspective. This filming technique, called an inferior perspective, maeks the object look bigger (as we the audience are looking "up" at it, as we would a skyscraper from outside). And as we all know, all main starships have to look big.
quote:As for the new footage, I distinctly remember that bloke saying in the interview that he went to a bit of trouble making sure that he did infact use the right names, regs & designs instead of making up some of his own.
Almost correct. Rob Legato, VFX supervisor for "Emissary" was in charge of creating the Wolf 359 battle scene, which was eventually scrapped for the newer footage we all saw. For the unused footage however, he stated that he did make sure that all the wreckage at least had the names of the ships mentioned by Shelby in BoBW, namely the Kyushu, the Melbourne, and the Tolstoy. We now know, from both Okuda and from visual proof, that the original Nebula Melbourne and the original Kyushu were again used in this footage. The questionable ships though, are the Tolstoy and the Gage. As everyone knows, the was no original Tolstoy. Did Legato make a "new" Tolstoy for Emissary? There is no reference to the Tolstoy in the original Emissary script, however. It seems to have been replaced with the reference to a new ship, the Gage. Did Legato build this Gage ship as well? And if he did, would it's unknown design be accepted as the Apollo class ship?
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