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I think someone has already asked him about the chart. In fact, I seem to recall doing it myself...
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I asked Okuda sometime ago, he said he doesn't have them anymore (MIA somwhere in the storage rooms of the lot). But he said Bjo Trimble could have some notes and/or pictures somewhere. So I asked her. But she said that there could be notes somewhere, but she doesn't find them. Pure speculation: Is there anyone from the art departement who worked on that movie and who might know something more than those two?
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Uh, err... shiplist: everyone seems to list Mekong as 72617 (given in Encyclopedia 3), but the ship chart of the Encyclopedia gives 72917. What's correct (Rubicon is 72936, Orinoco is 72905, som the 917 would make more sense, IMO). Not important enough to start a thread, but this seems to be the perfect place for it...
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On another note, I don't believe that the U.S.S. Whorfin is the class ship for the Whorfin class. The Whorfin's mission was deep space exploration. Why would you send a transport ship (which is clearly what the Lakul & the Robert Fox are) to explore deep space? Presumably, the Federation Whorfin class transports (aside from the fact that they look nothing like Starfleet ships) are a separate entity from the Starfleet U.S.S. Whorfin, which for all we know is a Constitution class vessel.
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quote: As stated above, I was going by the information so far presented to me. And as far as I know, all of it might be wrong. My information stated that the six ships used in Operation Retrieve were the Scovil, the Endeavor, the Springfield, the Challenger, the Ahwahnee, and the Eagle. I got that information from Reverend’s original shiplist, which I’ve heretofore modified. I don’t know where he got his information. And I didn’t know about the Potemkin.
To be honest I'm not sure where I got that info from, but it most likely came from here or off of Ex Astris. Treat it with suspicion because the list could easily be wrong. Just to double check what’s on your copy, this is what my current database has on the ST:VI ships:-
U.S.S. OBERTH NCC-602 OBERTH-CLASS On deep space exploration in 2293
U.S.S. EAGLE NCC-956 >UNKNOWN< On colony re-supply mission in 2293, Potential participant of Operation Retrieve
U.S.S.WHORFIN NCC-1024 WHORFIN-CLASS First of it's class, A deep space explorer, Assigned to neutral zone patrol in 2293
U.S.S. REPUBLIC NCC-1371 >UNKNOWN< Kirk's post as an Ensign along with Ben Finney. Assigned to neutral zone patrol in 2293, Assigned to Terran system as a training ship since 2320's
U.S.S. SCOVIL NCC-1598 >UNKNOWN< On astronomical research in 2293, Potential participant of Operation Retrieve
U.S.S. POTEMKIN NCC-1657 CONSTITTION-CLASS Participated in disastrous war-game drill with M-5 in 2268, On scientific survey in 2293, Potential participant of Operation Retrieve
U.S.S. HELIN NCC-1692 >UNKNOWN< Scientific survey ship on neutral zone patrol in sector 21290 in 2293
U.S.S. KONGO NCC-1710 CONSTITTION-CLASS Assigned to neutral zone patrol in 2293
U.S.S. JOHN MUIR NCC-1732 >UNKNOWN< Underwent upgrade at Starbase 24 in 2293
U.S.S. LANTREE NCC-1837 MIRANDA-CLASS Class-6 supply ship equipped with class-3 defensive armaments, carried colony supplies in sector 22858 in 2293, Commanded by Captain L.Isao Telaka in 2365, all 26 crew members killed by accelerated ageing, ship scuttled by U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-D
U.S.S. EMDEN NCC-1856 >UNKNOWN< Assigned to neutral zone patrol in 2293
U.S.S. ENDEAVOUR NCC-1895 >UNKNOWN< On deep space exploration in 2293, Potential participant of Operation Retrieve
U.S.S. SPRINGFIELD NCC-1963 >UNKNOWN< Assigned to neutral zone patrol in 2293, Potential participant of Operation Retrieve
U.S.S. CONSTELLATION NCC-1974 CONSTELLATION-CLASS Underwent NX stage certification tests in 2293, Transported Jem'hadar to Starbase 201 in 2371, Assisted in the search for survivors of U.S.S. Honshu NCC-60205 with the U.S.S Defiant NX-74205
U.S.S. KOROLEV NCC-2014 >UNKNOWN< On diplomatic mission in 2293
U.S.S. CHALLENGER NCC-2032 >UNKNOWN< On deep space exploration in 2293, Potential participant of Operation Retrieve
U.S.S. AHWAHNEE NCC-2048 >UNKNOWN< On deep space exploration in 2293, Potential participant of Operation Retrieve
As I said, treat this with suspicion; it's not carved in stone.
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quote:U.S.S. POTEMKIN NCC-1657 CONSTITTION-CLASS Participated in disastrous war-game drill with M-5 in 2268, On scientific survey in 2293, Potential participant of Operation Retrieve
Nooo! Don't confuse the two Potemkins. The first Potemkin (NCC-1657, Baton Rouge-class) was decommissioned in 2244. After that Starfleet built the Constitution-class Potemkin NCC-1711, which was destroyed in 2291. NCC-1657 was re-commissioned by Cartwright in 2293 to have more ships available.
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sweet jeebus, noooo....
BTW, your spell checker seems to have raped that list.. a colony crisply mission?
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quote:Originally posted by CaptainMike: sweet jeebus, noooo....
BTW, your spell checker seems to have raped that list.. a colony crisply mission?
Damn, if it's not my spell checker changing things it shouldn't then it's this buggy keyboard and it's wonderful typos... To be fair though, that database has about 260 entries....can't check them all.
You mean the real one, and the one that smells finely of fanboy ass, because that's whence it came from?
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Agreed... more politely, even though an older, non-Constitution Potemkin would explain the low registry assigned by Okuda and Jein, most of the world regards the registry given in the Encyclopedia as the registry of the Potemkin from The Original Series. I don't think theres any point in making complicated explanations, the simplest one, to follow the razor, is that the registry system is a little cocked up and therefore, not at a sequential when dealing with Connies for reason or reasons unknown. More complicated explanations equal more complicated inaccuracies between sources.
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Assuming the seven supposed names of the OR ships are right, I think they might match up like this. I suspect the Potemkin is one of the ships on page 2. I'm not sure about the Springfield and Challenger, though. They could be the other way around.
I figured this out basically by comparing the length of each ship name to the length of its "USS".
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The one you name Challenger could also be the John Muir - there's a teeny weeny gap between the two halves of the name, dividing it into two segments that are each as long as the supposedly four-digit registry number below.
Of course, "undergoing an upgrade" is even less likely an assignment than "deep space exploration" for a ship that's going to be drafted for a rapid-reaction covert operation...
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I took that gap to be an 'L'. There seems to be a black bit at the bottom of the gap. Unfortunately, there don't seem to be two 'L's. And there aren't enough letters to make up "ENGER" after it. I'm somewhat doubtful about the Challenger and the Springfield completely, really. But this is assuming the names we have are correct...
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