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quote:Right, I can understand that the Reman design ethic might be different... but from what I read on the Nemesis site, they seemed to imply that the Remans were actually descendants of Romulan settlers 2000 years ago
I feel someone needs to point out that starship design is decidedly not a genetic trait. some of the contributing factors are the mechanical necessities of the technology used and the materials available, the efficiency of the design and the aesthetics of the culture involved
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It looks nothing like that. In fact, the Reman Warbat description might well be the best one so far.
Eavesish signature features can be easily spotted if you stick the following designs together in one picture: the Enterprise-E, the various Son'a ships, The Jemmie Superbattleship, the bloodsuckers from "Fight or Flight," the Malurian ship from "Civilization," and some of various sketches of the Breen ship we saw in the Star Trek communicator. There's a certain sharp-edged agressively-swept quality to all of them. There's also the recurrant theme of a central core smoothly merging into wings rather than having them be defined add-ons a la Klingon ships. This is even somewhat true of the freshening of the Excelsior model as well.
Now, this isn't a criticism, per se. It's just interesting to see a Trek illustrator with a distinct "look" in much the same way that a Picasso or a Monet is immediately recognizable. I don't think recurrant Sternbachian features are as easy to spot, for instance.
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quote:It looks nothing like that. In fact, the Reman Warbat description might well be the best one so far.
I might be wrong, but I think Negh'Var was referring to the Romulan ship in the trailer, not the Scimitar. In that case, the Romulan ship does look similar to the FASA ship. But of course, neither the Rommie nor the Scimmie look anything like the TNG Warbird.
Oops, my bad. On reflection, the scene of the ship I thought was a different Romulan ship was in fact the Scimitar at a different angle. Ignore the above.
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Scimitar this, Scimitar that, I'm still waiting for the updated Warbird Sternbach promised. They even list the modified D'Deridex on the official page. And since Sternbach is involved, I don't think we'll see another 'Romulan Warbat' (I like the name ) but something truely original.
One thing though: if the ship is Reman, where did they get the yard, ressources and engineers to build it? I'd have guessed the Romulans have something against that venture. (Furthermore, I think they say it was the Romulan flagship.)
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oh, i can spot a Sternbach ship from a mile away... its not the large design features that are his signature, its in the details
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What "updated Warbird?" What "promise" made by Sternbach? Please elaborate.
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quote:I don't think recurrant Sternbachian features are as easy to spot, for instance.
in this medium (ie Star Trek), i think that is the hallmark of Sternbach being a better ship designer than Eaves.
quote:ts not the large design features that are his signature, its in the details
that is the problem i have with the designs of John Eaves: they don't have the lovingly crafted details that the Sternbach designs have.
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quote:Originally posted by Dukhat: What "updated Warbird?" What "promise" made by Sternbach? Please elaborate.
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According to this obscure Nemesis script the Warbird Valdore and another warbird help the Enterprise-E fighting the Scimitar.
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quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: ...from what I read on the Nemesis site, they seemed to imply that the Remans were actually descendants of Romulan settlers 2000 years ago, who looked nasty thanks to the old "fun with DNA" tricks that Trek loves to pull...
What? I didn't see this implied. How so? The script implies just the opposite, that the Remans were indigenous to Remus and were conquered by the Romulans when they arrived.
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quote:Originally posted by Dukhat: What "updated Warbird?" What "promise" made by Sternbach? Please elaborate.
He told us at the TrekBBS. He designed an update for the D'Deridex. According to him this will be a totally new CGI-model of the old Warbird with several modifications rather than something we've seen before. Something like Soyuz vs. Miranda. And I should know it. I was the one who asked him.
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quote:Eavesish signature features can be easily spotted if you stick the following designs together in one picture: the Enterprise-E, the various Son'a ships, The Jemmie Superbattleship, the bloodsuckers from "Fight or Flight," the Malurian ship from "Civilization," and some of various sketches of the Breen ship we saw in the Star Trek communicator. There's a certain sharp-edged agressively-swept quality to all of them. There's also the recurrant theme of a central core smoothly merging into wings rather than having them be defined add-ons a la Klingon ships. This is even somewhat true of the freshening of the Excelsior model as well. Now, this isn't a criticism, per se. It's just interesting to see a Trek illustrator with a distinct "look" in much the same way that a Picasso or a Monet is immediately recognizable. I don't think recurrant Sternbachian features are as easy to spot, for instance.
I agree. The problem of most Eaves designs (but only in comparison with each other) is that he always seems to start from a similar sickle or wing shape. Instead of adding recognizable components like nacelles, sensor arrays, a bridge or habitation pods, he only adds some sort of fractal complexity (and usually takes this too far).
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Blah blah blah blah... can I just say that the problem with the Warbat there is it's too busy. It has no definate SHAPE. The Trek ships have shown that the further in the future you get the more 'smooth' and 'refined' the ships shapes are.
Sternbach had a REAL flare for designing his ships (so did Andy Probert) but Sternbach could pump out a ship that had THOUGHT behind it. You'd KNOW it was CARDASSIAN or KLINGON or ROMULAN.
Anyone notice how all the new ships from the end of the Kazon to the End of Ent season 1 (excluding the Starfleet ships) have been very... sameish. Very hard to distinguish. None of the ships would say "CARDASSIAN" like the Galor does for The Cardassian Union etc. They just look like jumbled up arcs and spikes.
Oh and all the nebulae - blame Babylon 5 for that. They think they need to have some sort of colourful background in each effect's shot. And now the end parts of DS9 and Voyager.
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