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Blah blah blah blah... can I just say that the problem with the Warbat there is it's too busy. It has no definate SHAPE. The Trek ships have shown that the further in the future you get the more 'smooth' and 'refined' the ships shapes are.
Sternbach had a REAL flare for designing his ships (so did Andy Probert) but Sternbach could pump out a ship that had THOUGHT behind it. You'd KNOW it was CARDASSIAN or KLINGON or ROMULAN.
Anyone notice how all the new ships from the end of the Kazon to the End of Ent season 1 (excluding the Starfleet ships) have been very... sameish. Very hard to distinguish. None of the ships would say "CARDASSIAN" like the Galor does for The Cardassian Union etc. They just look like jumbled up arcs and spikes.
Oh and all the nebulae - blame Babylon 5 for that. They think they need to have some sort of colourful background in each effect's shot. And now the end parts of DS9 and Voyager.
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You people do realize the movie isn't finished yet, right? Your little light problem is probably still being worked on. Come on people, it's just the trailer, not the actual film!
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Oh, yeah, and I love the "from the end of the Kazon to Enterprise" bit, too. I'm trying to remember who was the chief ship designer for Voyager for its entire run. Come on, the name is on the tip of my tongue...
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quote:Originally posted by Sol System: The Galor is just a Vorcha flipped around and painted gold. Ooh, "species specific!"
Well, don't forget that it's a backwards, golden Vorcha with it's nacelles ripped off!
Some years ago Andy Probert and I talked at length about starship design. He was very complimentary about several other designers, but he did point out that a number of the people he worked with or knew didn't have industrial design backgrounds like he did, and he thought that they came at the ship designs a different way than he did for that reason.
One cool thing he designed (for a TNG computer game that was never released) was a Starfleet fighter craft that looked nothing like the Star Wars-ian kludges we've seen on the shows. His design had a similar esthetic to the GCS, but it was clearly a fighter. It's tough to describe exactly, but picture a curvy CGS-eque version of the warp sled shuttle from TMP, where the front of the shuttle body is a bubble cockpit and the nacelles are phaser cannons (with slotted fronts that looks like the tips of the TMP/TWOK phasers), and you'll kinda a crude idea of the shape.
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That series of doors just below that blue window almost looks like where the collector's sails popped out of.
The comment on ships with a "species-look," I think, does a good job of describing some of the best-designed ships. Come on, the Vor'Cha and Galor had character in them, while these new ones are all shiny, some shade a gray and only do a good job of showing how well light can reflect off their CG textured hulls. Even the Dominion Battlecrusier was rather straight-forward, and you could look at the thing and quickly recognize its features.
The Scimitar, at least in the trailer, looks like a kitbash of ships that didn't impress me the first time around.
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quote:Originally posted by Shik: It's also on his site.
What's also on his site? You didn't link to a specific page or even indicate what "it" is. My Kingdom for a noun!
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I think Shik meant the unsued Galaxy-esque fighter. It really is not on his site. What I saw that even comes close to what was being described was the Sphinx Workpod featured in the TNGTM, but also unused. The Sphinx on his site was a general schematic-type and three quarters view drawing, and in an unused Valera III matte painting.
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It WAS there...it'll probably come back as he completes his reconstruction. It was basically this somewhat egg-shaped central pod with a clear wraparound window...& there were 2 propulsion & weapons arms that came out & around from the back.
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It sounds to me that Shik is describing the scrapped design of the original TNG shuttle.
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