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The Mighty Monkey of Mim
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1.) What was seen/mentioned of the Merrimack in BR?
2.) Was the Cochrane in "The Game"?

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1) IIRC, Etana wanted one of the crew members (I forget which one) to transfer over to the Merrimac in an effort to spread the Game.

2) Wesley rendesvoused with the Enterprise in an Oberth, but it was just stock footage of the ship Norah Satie arrived in. Curiously, Wesley was described as arriving in a shuttle. Perhaps "shuttle" is used here as a generic term for any ship that shuttles people around, in this case an Oberth.

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Or for some reason or another, they had to shuttle him over, instead of using a transporter.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dukhat:
1) IIRC, Etana wanted one of the crew members (I forget which one) to transfer over to the Merrimac in an effort to spread the Game.

2) Wesley rendesvoused with the Enterprise in an Oberth, but it was just stock footage of the ship Norah Satie arrived in. Curiously, Wesley was described as arriving in a shuttle. Perhaps "shuttle" is used here as a generic term for any ship that shuttles people around, in this case an Oberth.

Wait...so the Merrimack was in "The Game" too? I had no knowledge of this. I was asking about what was mentioned of the ship in "Birthright."

But thanks... [Smile]

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1.) AFAIK they mentioned that Cmdr. Rudman was an officer aboard the Merrimac in Birthright.

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Dukhat
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I could be wrong about the Merrimac reference in "The Game." I just remember that a crew member was to be tranferred to another ship, & it was a Nebula from the name they gave.

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MMoM--The only way you'll find the Merrimack reference in "Birthright" in the Encyclopedia is under the entry for Commander Rudman. Just to let you know if you can't find it.

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It was the Endeavour they mentioned in 'The Game'. The Cmdr. Rudman/Merrimack reference is from the Encyclopedia, maybe it was mentioned on the show, but I don't remember it. Must have been one of those small throw-away lines you usually don't remember (although if it's starship-throwaway, I usually notice and remember it.)

There was no mention of the Cochrane in 'The Game', Riker was ordered to take a shuttle to spread the game on the Endeavour while I think Troi was ordered to take the game with her to Starbase whatever. Where did you get the Cochrane from? Only episodes I know are 'The Drumhead' and 'Emissary', and I don't think the name Cochrane was ever mentioned in any of those episodes.

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quote:
1) IIRC, Etana wanted one of the crew members (I forget which one) to transfer over to the Merrimac in an effort to spread the Game.

I thought that was the Endeavour.

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I distinctly remember hearing the Merrimack in "The Game"

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The ship mentioned as a plot point in "The Game" was the Endeavor, allegedly fresh out of the construction yards and early duty on the blockade line in "Redemption II". The Merrimack was the ship that picked Wesley up at the end of the show.

In TNG, the ONLY times we actually see a Nebula-class ship on the screen is when the ship is directly referenced: the Phoenix in "The Wounded", the Melbourne (arguably) in "BoBWII", the Sutherland in "Redemption II", and the Farragut in "Generations". Other than that, they are only dialogue references to Nebbies, whose class names we figure out from the Encyclopedia (Merrimack, Monitor, Endeavor, Hera, et. al.).

In DS9 and Voyager we frequently see Nebula-class ships docked to things or otherwise part of some obscure Starfleet presence. They are rarely named.

Mark

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and the Prometheus in DS9 "Second Sight"
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After the original Prometheus footage was shot, the same stock footage would be used to represent the Lexington and the T'Kumbra. However, I don't think the model was ever labeled "Prometheus."

For "The Game," there were three ships seen/mentioned. The Oberth that Wesley originally arrived in, the Merrimack (which was the ship Wesley would depart in, but wasn't seen), and the Endeavor (which was the ship Etana mentioned). I don't know of any reference that stated the Endeavor was fresh out of the shipyard.

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They had relabeled the Prometheus. There were two additional shot of the ship flying at warp to that collapsed star. And back then I was trying to figure out the registry (before the glorious age of the Encaclopedia). I think I came pretty close. Since it's a crap episode, I didn't watch it in ages, but I'm sure the ship was the Prometheus.

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Yes, they did relabel the Nebula model, because I also remember seeing the proper registry number on the hull in one of the shots. That was way back when I was first getting into the wonderful world of cataloging Starfleet ships...

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