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I'm with AndrewR on this one completely. And I'm sure the color thing is due to the CGI - as well as the "I don't give a shit about design"-attitude of TPTB.
In "The Die is Cast" the Warbirds weren't darker at all. Sometimes they were poorly lit, sure, but when they were not you could still see the original color. I've enhanced the Valore pic in PaintShopPro and it still looks almost pitch black.
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At the risk of being rude, your personal aesthetic choices do not instantly become universal design rules when you put them on the internet. Lots of people happen to not like many of these "canonical" 24th century ships. (Also, the Lakul? Uh, a ship that was being used 60 years before TNG doesn't look TNG enough? I am confused?) And many people happen to like many of the ships listed as being bad and evil and wrong.
Some of you do not like certain designs. Wow! An amazing revelation! And I am glad of it. This would be a very tedious place if we all liked the same things when it came to starships. But just because you don't like it doesn't make it a rule. Not by a longshot.
Now, as regards the "they wouldn't like it at Farpoint" argument, this I do not understand. When the Romulan warbird showed up we had seen a great whopping two Romulan ships. The warbird looks almost entirely unlike either of them. We know for a fact that Romulan ships are white with a hawk painted on the bottom, for one thing. Where is the continuity? Obviously, Probert is a hack who cares nothing for his work.
Frankly, I'm not bowled over by this new ship either. Mostly because I can only see about a third of the thing from that poorly lit picture. But I am under no illusion that my personal taste is somehow The One True Way.
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The Defiant and the Runabout still look more in line with the idea of "Technology unchained" than something like the bloody Holodeck ship or the scout ship.
And I don't think many would have a fit with the Deffie after farpoint... look at the RELATIVE bizzareness of the Oberth class. The Defiant still has a distinct Federation feel and look. This new Romulan ship looks like a Fan-boi (cool lets put lots of weapons on it and make it fifty times as long as a Galaxy class ship!! - excuse me for not writing in the Fan-boi text that some of you do. )
The ship has basically nothing in common with ANY romulan ships that we have seen in the last 36 years. Except that it's green (an incorrect green). It has a warbirdish 'beak'. It looks - at the risk of repeating myself - more like they've taken the Klingon BoP model (seen in like 5/9 movies) and added Eaves-esque nacelles, and smoothed out the aft/central/dorsal 'pod' area... it's even got the two just distal of mid-line rectangles that emerged either side of the old Klingon BoP red impulse/engine thing. (I'd like to see what that area looks like on this thing)
Then they've added a Warbird Beak and a few windows.
Now, I wonder what this Reman ship will end up looking like.
Andrew
P.S. Please lets have these huge ships act like gigantic captial ships and not have them buzzing around like the Defiant/Jemmie Bug/Fighter etc.
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The two "distal midline rectangles" are on the Dierdrex Warbird too: at the bottom junction for the "head" (if we are talking about the same thing). I always thought those were giant shuttlebays....where else could shuttlebays be on the TNG Warbird?
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I just wonder how all these extremely wide and flat ships will fit on the screen. Sure, the silver screen itself is wide and flat. But there's still only so much you can do with formations and maneuvering when your ships are shaped like that, and forced to fly in the same horizontal plane and in the same orientation. The screen will get very crowded very soon.
With the two broad and flat Son'a ships, they did some nice "staggered formations". And the ships nicely "hovered over" the poor E-E during the first big flyby scene where Son'a reinforcements arrive over Baku. But "hovering over", while menacing, doesn't work as a snazzy combat maneuver. And having the enemy ships staggered makes it look as if they'd collide with each other any minute.
And the long and narrow E-E is the one they make do a roll? That's a sensible maneuver, but visually not all that impressive. An end-over-end thing like the Discovery in "2010" would fit that ship better...
In contrast, one of these bird-ships could do a very nice roll, but would look comical flipping like the BoP did in "Way of the Warrior." The birdlike nature almost forces it to maneuver like an aircraft, which ain't all that cool.
quote:The new warbird seems to be at least 50% larger than the old TNG one. In the article that the pic came from mentions that Picard has to zoom out to see the entire ship.
I just read this again... this is just an opinion isn't it... cause this ship being bigger than a D'Deridex doesn't gel with me. Comparing windows.
Just because Picard has to zoom out...
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Why does anyone quote the 115 decks, twice the Enterprise-size thing? The official site gives these statistics for the D'Deridex. Below, you find information about the new Reman ship ("unknown origin blah blah") and about new types of Romulan ships, reports identified them as "modification of the standard warbird and ships of totally new design".
SS gives the 115 decks, IIRC, and the twice the size-stat is commonly known trivia. The new ship could be half the size of the D'deridex. Maybe Picard awaited a scout ship?
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I don't know where the 115 decks x2 Galaxy class comment came from. I think it might be from a diagram Probert did in season 1??
My theory goes that There are two sizes of "TNG Rommie Warbirds"
"A-Type" pretty much only seen in The Neutral Zone (to give the Feds a big shock) and "Contagion" (again as a posturing tool this time to counter a Fed incursion threat)
"B-Type" The D'Deridex class... The Smaller version pretty much seen in The Defector, Tin Man (especially the size difference in this episode is really evident). And probably most DS9 episodes and Voyager episode. (Message In A Bottle).
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We do know that Probert intended the D'deridex to be 4400' (1341m) long and that size was used in "The Neutral Zone". It seems that later the VFX guys decided the ship looked too big and took it down to around 1km length (where it seemingly stayed).
I still don't like the idea of there being two different size TNG Warbirds. It's stupid. Just as stupid as the B'rel/K'vort nonsense.
Anyway, I like the Valdore. I do feel that it is faithful to the Romulan ship lignage. And best of all is that it actually looks menacing. I mean I like the D'deridex-class, it's one of my all time favourites, but it looks pathetically cuddly when compared to this new Bird.
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: The ship has basically nothing in common with ANY romulan ships that we have seen in the last 36 years. Except that it's green (an incorrect green). It has a warbirdish 'beak'. It looks - at the risk of repeating myself - more like they've taken the Klingon BoP model (seen in like 5/9 movies) and added Eaves-esque nacelles, and smoothed out the aft/central/dorsal 'pod' area... it's even got the two just distal of mid-line rectangles that emerged either side of the old Klingon BoP red impulse/engine thing. (I'd like to see what that area looks like on this thing)
I find it quite amusing that this is a complaint for you, considering that the "Klingon" Bird-of-Prey was designed to be a ROMULAN vessel...
I think both the Valdore and the Scimitar look pretty damn good. So nyah!
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Anybody got a decent pic of the Scimitar? Alot of people seem not to like the design, but I have yet to see a good shot of the ship and unlike the Valdore, paramount is not showing us pics. The best screen capture I've found of scimitar is over at the Ex Astris Scientia site and that is partially cloaked.
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