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Originally posted by O Captain Mike Captain:
the TMP refit was more extensive that just pasting on a new cannon and greeblies.

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' and what's with this orange carpeting with the gold inlay?! and the blue and red chainlink grating?'

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Originally posted by MinutiaeMan:
However, I don't think that the Sovereign Class was supposed to be a replacement for the Galaxy, per se -- but rather a supplement in certain areas. Though the Enterprise-D was able to hold its own in most of the battles it fought, it seems that there were a few vulnerabilities in the design for combat missions. Maybe Starfleet commissioned a new "battlecruiser" class... originally in anticipation of a second Borg invasion, but there weren't enough ships built by DS9 to be in widespread service in the Dominion War battles (that we saw).

As for the "patrolling the Neutral Zone" problem... well... Admiral Hayes ordering the -E to stay at the NZ demonstrates the kind of tactical genius that explains why his ship was destroyed in Earth orbit...

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First of all Ill have to excuse my Trek newbie'ness (and offcourse my english). With that said Ill have to partly agree with minutia man regarding the role of the Sovereign class.

I don't think Star Fleet would be risking a Galaxy class or even a Nebula class ship in battle. I say this on the basis of their size (and probably associated cost) and the fact that they werent really designed as combat wessels (room for a 1000 civilians on a galaxy?).

So in my interpretation of the Sovereign in the big star fleet scheme of things is:

An explorer stripped of civilian necessities.

An updated explorer regarding "speed" powergeneration and weaponry.

A cheaper and more expendable design compaired to the multipurpose do it all expensive top of the line galaxy.

But I really dont think that the term explorer works for the Sovereign class. I do think the term battlecruiser is more fitting.

The pre dominion / borg starfleet perhaps planned on the galaxy / nebula explorers playing a part in the rare crisis'es needing heavy firepower.

Now they instead plan on the Sovereign providing the heavy firepower in these situations. Letting the expensive explorers ... uhm ... explore...

Anyway just my 5 �re on the subject...

PS: m-man as u can see I can now post... No more email "spamming" you

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I don't think Star Fleet would be risking a Galaxy class or even a Nebula class ship in battle. I say this on the basis of their size (and probably associated cost) and the fact that they werent really designed as combat wessels (room for a 1000 civilians on a galaxy?).

An explorer stripped of civilian necessities.

An updated explorer regarding "speed" powergeneration and weaponry.

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Originally posted by Dax:

And although we see still see plenty of Mirandas and Excelsiors flying about, they have relatively high registrations (usually 3xxxx and 4xxxx) indicating that they're not particularly old builds.

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I suppose the future D's potential decommissioning could of been because of severe battle damage (I'll admit it's a good explanation), but I was under the impression that the ship was going to be retired mainly due to age, with damage being a secondary reason (same as with the Ent-A?). Instead, Riker ordered the kick-ass refit which included the mega-phaser, third nacelle, and many other enhancements to bring the ship up to date/spec. We're looking at a major refit -- not the same magnitude as TMP refit but bigger than anything else we have ever seen or know of (IIRC).

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Originally posted by O Captain Mike Captain:
i'm willing to pretend its the same spaceframe anyway. just a lot of new stuff. perhaps we've never seen it, but the bulk of the crew quarters retained their TOS appearance. that would be a creepy thing to find walking through a doorway.

'They replace all the hull plating and give Admiral Kirk some fancy wood plated cabinets and a *whoosh* transparent door, but i'm stuck in the quarters where they never even replaced the vent switch some ensign broke 20 years ago. there's a food tray duct taped over it, with a note about bloodsucking gas clouds. and what's with this orange carpeting with the gold inlay?! and the blue and red chainlink grating?'

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LOL! That would be freaky! heheh you step in, and there is the mood lighting. A woman enters and this music starts!

You accidently hit a panel and for some reason a Tantalus Screen appears!

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Originally posted by AndrewR:
Well maybe they are 'new' ships but old space frames? When DOES the registry get assigned.

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Originally posted by AndrewR:
I would say that the ship was REFIT/UPGRADED to MATCH the ships of the time. Not that it was some mega-starship. And the Klingon ships it encountered may have been the normal Klingon ship for the time. Or altered 20 year old Negh'vars.

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