quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: This now means that we have THREE versions of this display. The one in your pic, (1) the one from The Captain's Chair, which I have always thought might have been altered, (2) and the possibly pre-production version published in the Starlog magazine. And we STILL don't know for sure which one is the canon one... -MMoM
Er, none of them? Since if we treat barely legible text seen onscreen as canon, then we're going to have to add a whole lot of other crazy shit in too.
I'm not saying that the stuff isn't interesting to look at, or to use for research, but I don't think you can argue that any of those versions has any real canonicity over the other two.
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I think there's an emergent syndrome worth studying here, namely the compulsion to grow one's shiplist like some sort of deranged Chia-Pet.
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quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: Er, none of them? Since if we treat barely legible text seen onscreen as canon, then we're going to have to add a whole lot of other crazy shit in too.
I'm not saying that the stuff isn't interesting to look at, or to use for research, but I don't think you can argue that any of those versions has any real canonicity over the other two.
Well, their function shiplist-wise is essentially to "prove" that at least *these* Encyclopedia class/registry/name associations aren't made up. All of the ships listed, IIRC, were mentioned or featured in other episodes, but not necessarily with class and reg info. However, it the classes and regs *were* onscreen. Namely, in the form of these displays.
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I once wrote Mr. Okuda on this very subject. He replied that the ship name/class/registry found in the encyclopedia for TNG on was from source material (okudagrams, models) on the filmed episodes and films. We can see this pattern in the encyclopedia. The entries for ships introduced after 1986 never say the information for a particular ship is conjectural. The term conjectural is reserved for ships of TOS, a show for which Mr. Okuda had little or no involvement with.
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I've been scrutinizing the trading card until my eyes hurt. The following list is based on a few known facts and a few well founded assumptions. I feel my list is about 80% accurate.
Assumptions/Facts: -Many of the vessels from the first list are in the new one in the same places. -Many of the confirmed new entries are from the Tachyon Detection Grid ships, so the unconfirmed ones may be from the rest of that list. -The PADD contains ships from season's 1-5 only. -Even on the trading card the words were difficult to read...most of the information is from ship name lengths compared to class name lengths, name lengths compared to known values elsewhere in the list. Numbers such as 1s, 7s, and other spacings sometimes yield hints. -My list won't include the assignments. Some are the same, but I can't trust the sector numbers.
My take on List 2: (underscores are unknowns)
STARFLEET OPERATIONS - SECTORS 25___ - 2_012
• USS ENDEAVOUR NEBULA NCC-71805 USS ARIES RENAISSANCE NCC-45167 • USS EXCALIBUR AMBASSADOR NCC-26517
• USS TIAN NAN MEN MIRANDA NCC-21382 • USS CHARLESTON EXCELSIOR NCC-42285 • USS SUTHERLAND NEBULA NCC-72015 • USS GODDARD KOROLEV NCC-59621 • USS HOOD EXCELSIOR NCC-42296 • USS MERRIMAC NEBULA NCC-61827 • USS HORNET RENAISSANCE NCC-45231 USS AHWAHNEE CHEYENNE NCC-71620 • USS THOMAS PAINE NEW ORLEANS NCC-65530 USS TRIESTE MERCED NCC-37124 • USS AKAGI RIGEL NCC-62158 • USS HERMES ANTARES NCC-10376
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I agree with you on every single one of those names except perhaps the Hermes. The class for the last entry looks like Excelsior. Is there any other ship it might be? On the other hand, if it *is* the Hermes, then we have confirmation of the Encyclopedia's listing of it as an Antares-class vessel.
Good work.
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It shows a shot of the conference lounge from behind the windows looking in. The gold models are gone, so it's the later season horizontal detail. Through one of the windows, you can see the list on the starboard side viewer, and from the name lengths, it's ovbious it's the first ship list. Here's a scan of the pic:
quote:Originally posted by SoundEffect: Sorry, I figured everyone had this book.
It's like the ONE book I don't have. It was too expensive and seemed not to have all that much new info in it that would be valuable to me...
Incidentally, I've changed my mind about the Hermes. I can see it now...
quote:The original list appears in Starlog's version of the TNG Magazine, Vol 15, 90-91 Season, page 35. (K'Ehleyr, Alexander and Worf are on the cover.)
Would you happen to have this? Can a better scan be made of that list than the one I have? I'd like to see what the "Beta xxxxxA" system in which the Fearless operates is. (This goes for anyone who's got the issue, as well.)
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Every time I click on one of Sound Effect's links, all I get is the FortuneCity logo.
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